armistice was broken. being able to spam invulnerability is a slightly different scenario, especially when paired with a phase interdictor
the devs, in their infinite wisdom, made the perfect fix: allow the armisticed ships to bypass an outpost if its being used in such a way.

oh, they are tons worth it. I've gone up against fleets twice or so my size and came out with hardly a scratch because I brought a couple of Command Cruisers and a carrier along.

while I'm not opposed to testing ideas, you are completely missing the point of the cruisers (which I so gratiously just explained to you)
they are not supposed to have weaponry. that would be having your cake, eating it, and giving it to the queen as a gift.
you cant expect the ships to become broken super-machines. such an idea would bring forth the oh-so-famous strategy of just bringing along a ton of command cruisers, have them spam embolden on each other with a dunov using flux field in the back.

what you're asking is to turn the spotman for artillery into a schwarzenegger style super-buffed commando. thats not how it works in the military, if we took some guns off of our battleships and stuck them on our carriers, took some runways off the carriers and stuck them on the cruisers. guess what you'd have?
one very, very fired group of engineers.

for instance; how is the command ship to spot using its reconaissance array when its constantly being rocked from recoil? you would have wasted millions on one very broken surveyance array

why do you want weapons on the ships meant to amplify the ships that are supposed to have weapons? its utterly pointless.

free speech good sir , everyone can say what they want, you never know a good idea or two may come from it... if it bothers you don't read it



i've seen a lot of new posters in the last 3 days, and they have had a few good ideas, along with some bad...

anyway, have you tried beta 2? haven't seen much input from you on the forums...

its the beta!!!!!! not the full game, things will change...

Are you saying you still actively build Cobalts after you've gotten Kodiaks, then? I sure don't; more bang for buck has always been my philosophy.

And placing them high on the tech tree is a bad idea. If the point of the cruisers is to act as frigate support, then they should be more accessible to aid your frigates in the beginning. Why not just build a capital ship instead of a group of cruisers? They are easier to obtain, just not in large numbers.

How about this for an idea Sentient:

Take cruisers double their supply and production cost. Give them some more armor and shielding and give them a boost in weaponry, especially the Kodiak and the Command Cruiser (For the Command Cruiser add a few autocannon turrets, the TEC need some more kinetic love. Or whatever). Just a bump for the Robotics Cruiser. And an extra squadron or two for the Carrier but only accessed through research. And you will have cruisers that are balanced, ineffective to spam, and overall worthwhile as the core component of a light or heavy fleet.

They would still need an escort of frigates, and because of the increase in cost of resources and supply points they become a little more effective. Because right now the only cruiser I or the AI use is the Carrier. And we both spam it.

Obviously it needs a bit of tweaking here or there, but a good start towards making the Cruisers a little more worthwhile.

hmmm.......
[Looks around for a nice comfortable chair and start to make popcorn]

hihihihi no you shut up hihihihi




*Multi starts to like mr kosc... just for a second..*



ZOMG, this is the final product??!!1! waaaaa *Multi takes a chill pill*



*So does Multi, and asks* what is this? action, thiller or XXX?

The bad news: it's none of those.
The good news: it's something even better.
The worse news: it can actually be something worse.

Ever heard of the word counter-productive?

Heh, the main problem is probably with the name cruiser. The way it stands now, we rather have 2 classes of frigate rather then one frigate and one cruiser class. The normal frigate feel like combat frigate, and the cruiser is like Tech Frigate, or Utility frigate rather then the upper tier of cruiser. Maybe that's how we should call them huh?

dont like it in the least (sorry!)
reasons:
1) I hate the idea of "gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme GUNS!!!" it completely misses the point of the entire class of ship
2) they are meant to be produced at a cheap cost
3) too many fighters for the carrier (bomber rush, anyone?)
4) those "core components" you're talking about are capital ships.

they are very worthwhile, you should research them and see just how powerful they are rather than using them a couple times and tossing them.


I did my job in grabbing peoples attention.
if it offends anyone that I told them to shut up... well my bad.

ah, the attitude that has lead to more vile things (including mass genocide, poverty, AIDS and shitty video games, ah the horror) than any other.
yes, its beta!!! but we're supposed to argue these points out so that the devs have a full view of how the game can pan out.

I'm trying to stop the counterproductivity.

thank god, someone who understands!

the point I want to raise is that people are not considering the cruisers for their true light, they instead are making childish demands for guns on them. the last POSSIBLE thing I want on my command cruiser is a gun, if the cruiser has a gun that means it will chase things around, which means it'll get shot at, which means it'll die, which means I lose a good 5-7% of my firepower!!! I dont want to lose that at ANY cost.

I don't think they should have guns either, they are support and should remain so

Cruiser

So far cruisers in Sins do no deserve to be listed as "Cruisers". Renaming them to "Support craft" will put the entire issue of armament to rest. If they are to remain "Cruisers" most of them need some loving.

lol. that's the link I posted above