Call me crazy, but...

Combined-arms is good for realism.


I don't want realism. I want fleets of mighty, proud capital fleets phasejumping into a system and laying waste to all and sundry. Picket ships are harassers and planetary defense, but they shouldn't stand up to capital ships unless massed in truely ridiculous numbers - swarm-type numbers.

Frigates should kill frigates and trade ships, do scouting, and serve as cannon fodder. Cruisers should kill frigates and (maybe) serve some crucial secondary role as support for the capital ships - such as repairing them.

Capital ships kill everyone, and they should mow through frigates like a lawnmower. However, they should also be hideously expensive.

That's just how I like my space opera.

USS Ticonderoga "Aegis cruiser" was a "Aegis destroyer". They saw they had a "cruiser gap" they renamed it a cruiser . . . so much for nameing conventions?!?

"The main reason why the navy decommissioned all her battleships in the 90’s was fuel."
one reason possibly, but the battleships where decommissioned for other reasons also . . they were a liability (read single high value target), they would have to be entirely retrofitted, a big task for a old ship. BUT the main reason was the origonal basis for there design (the big guns and armor made to take big gun hits) is entirely obsolete. There is NO reason to have such a large armored ship in the modern navy . . even IF they made a new modern version.

"Frigates should kill frigates and trade ships, do scouting, and serve as cannon fodder. Cruisers should kill frigates and (maybe) serve some crucial secondary role as support for the capital ships - such as repairing them."
By who's definition?? Offical navy deffinition this is NOT the case.

~ the 60's
US Navy "cruisers" are large vessels equipped with heavy offensive missiles for wide-ranging combat against land-based and sea-based targets.
"Frigates" are almost as large as the cruisers and optimized for anti-aircraft warfare, although they were capable anti-surface warfare combatants as well.
Late 70's
Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate, Ticonderoga-class cruisers change the definition slightly more inline with other countries (But the Roles have changed)

And since the 90's the definition still changing as new ships are constructed and figured in to the obsolete designations. (new ships will have Modular “mission” packages that allow different weapon/sensor/utility systems to be replaced or matched as needed. The only difference between the ships would be the number of modules . . )

the UBER ship is and old worn out idea and possibly even childish to contemplate, The Yamato or Bismarck where not as UBER as the grandeur of the hype that went with them.
“Yamato and Musashi made little direct impact during the war. The Musashi did not engage any Allied battleships during the war, yet the Yamato did have limited success when in October 1944 she opened fire on US escort carriers and destroyers. It was the first and last of her battles with enemy ships.”
Line of battle fleets involving modern dreadnought-style ships rarely occurred to the displeasure of those who had invested billions in equipping themselves with expensive capital ships.

had 4 aegis units. the battleships i believe had one. the so called aegis frigates have 2. this is why the ticonderoga was reclassified as a cruiser.


each unit is able to track 100 targets. or maybe it is 50

yes

I haven't got the beta yet, (I just now pre-orderd it) so I don't know much about the ships, but I do know what I like about games.


I currently play Homeworld so for those of you who havn't played it, when I hear "frigate" I think of the smallist capitol ship possible.

Frigates need to be reaserched in Homeworld, but usually you can get them about ten minuets into the game, as one thing I like about homeworld, is that most games are around 30 minuets, and fit VERY well into my busy schedule.


from what I have read, I gather that the average game in sins is about three hours. I know that alot of you die hards would glady spend up to five hours a game without a problem, but people like me haev a forty hour workweek, and soon I will start my first, of ten, years of collage. I don't have time for a three hour game, nor do most other gamers. If this game takes too long to play, then it will die quickly, all the die-hards will move to newer games, and the non-diehards will simply no have enough time.

so in the end, I guess I don't want caps reaserched becouse it would make the game significantly longer.

(slightly off subject, but I think it could be awsome to make maps as small as two planets, for ppl like me who don't have three hours to play one game)

I still think all races should have instant access to all sizes of ships. Two of them are warmongers anyway and will have huge ships stacked already while TEC has huge trade ships ready to be converted. First aircraft carriers in reality were converted cargo (trade) ships!

So I don't understand why the size should be limited in the beggining of the game.

Technology should be limited though. The special abilities and new classes of ships should only be available through research.

At first capitals should only be lumbering giants with more firepower and durability than other ships. Than with research they should become the true highlight of battles.

But that is just my opinion.

Didn't Happen? Tell that to the HMS Hood.


OK, I already corrected myself on this one. But I'm going to add that what you're not going to read on their spec sheet is the improvements in CIC(Command Information Center). The targeting computers on our ship were upgraded to the equivalent of what Aegis had, and I’m sure the Iowa Class Battleships did as well. As far as air defense goes that’s why we traveled in battlegroups. Each ship had a special purpose, some overlapped, but we each had our own.


I wonder if it might be possible to set this as a pre-game condition. ‘Pre-researched Hull Tech Y/N’ type of thing . When you look at the tech tree you would already have those techs pre researched. So those of us that want to research it can, and those that don’t, don’t have to.

A) you can edit your posts
wonder waht I was thinking of...

eh, massive shore bombardment doesnt work very well unless you spend quite a while doing it, (ever seen flags of our fathers?)

fleets?

This is quoted from a web site on the USS Jew Jersey.
http://www.multied.com/Navy/battle/NJ.html

"The Japanese response to the Marianas operation was an order to its Mobile Fleet, it must attack and annihilate the American invasion force. Shadowing American submarines tracked the Japanese fleet into the Philippine Sea as Admiral 8pruanee joined his task force with Admiral Mitseher's to meet the enemy. New Jersey took station in the protective screen around the carriers on 19 June as American and Japanese pilots dueled in the Battle of the Philippine Sea. That day and the next were to pronounce the doom of Japanese naval aviation, in this "Marianas Turkey Shoot," the Japanese lost some 400 planes. This loss of trained pilots and aircraft was equalled in disaster by the sinking of three Japanese carriers by submarines and aircraft, and the damaging of two carriers and a battleship. The anti-aircraft fire of New Jersey and the other screening ships proved virtually impenetrable. Only two American ships were damaged, and those but slightly. In this overwhelming victory but 17 American planes were lost to combat."
For emphasis
"The anti-aircraft fire of New Jersey and the other screening ships proved virtually impenetrable."

or you could edit your posts