Your right it would prevent no damage skirting around, except that most of the time your ships will be in range of Gauss when they come in anyways, they just fly away fast enough... that is also why the Missile Turret like I said, would have low dammage.


I think Anataar1 also had a good idea.

You didnt explain how those two things don't work together?

Missile Turret weak dammage protects Gauss cannons, and if guarded properly will give dammage to phase in ships, Hangars protect the entire system, but can be intercepted... notably hangars also have much more health.

Those work fine?

But again I also like Anataar1's idea. The point is it doesn't make anything obsolete and you would be paying a research cost and tactical cost for this thing... its no uber cannon that makes the game unballanced.

You just don't seem to Like it.

but it wont be early at all if it is a level 6 tech req

Nah, what makes capital ships a bit balanced (they aren't actually balanced though, a high lvl capital ship is overpowered) is the need for crew research and it's high money cost.

I can easily churn out the first 4-6 capital ships in a short game on a small map, but after that it gets much harder to have more of them because of the research necessary for the crew. Ship points are no problem with most of the maps.



Of course they would work together. Now add a flak turret and you have a nigh impregnable defense for early to middle game. (As long as the enemy doesn't come with multiple capital ships).



Nope. I have neither much sympathy or antipathy for the addition of new defense structures, as long as they're counter able, balanced and innovative.

I also wanted more in deep info of how those missile turrets should work. It's easy to say what they should do in theory but I'm more interested in the implementation of it into the game.

But imho the small gravity wells of Sins just don't lend themselves very well to much defenses. It's ok in other games like SupCom, because you have large, accessible maps and a diverse array of attack possibilities. But in Sins with the limited possibilities of moving inside a grav well you can make defenses overpowered very easily.

Just place a small fleet inside your defenses next time the enemy attacks, he'll stand no chance as long as he's no overpowering advantage already (nummeric and tech wise).

But this missile turret sounds more like something to make the need of a fleet added to your defenses needless. And that's what I don't like.

For the same reason people use any cut down word: its faster.



Except not as vulnerable to flak frigates (Vulnerable, perhaps, just not as vulnerable).

A) Imba is a frequently used "cut-down" Edit: Not to mention pretty clear.
How do you think new words get coined?

New words get coined all the time, but they usually are new forms of old words such as Truthiness, not a shortening or cut of a perfectly reasonable word. No Its not a common shortening, or at least I don't believe you based on my own experience, which of course differs from you.

Maybe you visit forums of hottentot-word butchers and it is common slang.

At any rate, I wasn't trying to make it an issue, as much as just mention it in passing. So can we drop it yet?

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Well duh

I think we are all aware of that, and if you read a little more carefully you would see that I (and I don't think anyone who has posted in this thread) are looking for an 'uber-defense' that would be absolutely stupid.

I was unaware that fighters intercepted LRM, that does change things a bit, and yes I'm aware the intention of not having weapons that reach the edge of the Grav well... even though they have a weapon which does that quite effectively already and even though currently if you warp in a decently sized fleet half of them in Gauss Range anyways.

So regardless of their intent they outrightly failed. You will get fired on by Gauss most of the time coming in... I don't care personally I think thats apropriate, just move the hell out fast, simple. In addition you will get hit by bombers when you come in as well as they have free range.

SO what does it matter if it can hit incoming vessels since they are already getting hit. Why can't I have that option with weak damage and very weak armor (I would basically have it be a Cobalt in health probabbly less) and the added cost of it being a tier 6 or 7 tech!

Seriously, a wimpy missile turret bothers you This Much? You want problems with turtling the place to start worrying about it is the Novalith Cannon.

Which still won't cause a turtle issue if it is at all ballanced.

Who said they do that?

Not going to happen.

Kryo stated that Fighters and Flak can 'intercept' LRM

Oh, missed that. Nice.

couldnt read the last few posts, but on the missile turret thing:

the posters arguing for it said it should be only lightly armoured, while doing light to moderate damage, so essentially, this things aren't for heavy defense but for doing at least some damage to enemy fleets passing through and generally being a nuisance.

if we need it, lets get specific: say, around 1500 hp, a bit less dmg than lrm, range 10.000 - 11.000 (if the above values are correct and lrm range is 8500 and gauss is 7500) and cost of about a gauss canon or a bit more.

keep in mind that it should have a better dmg/ money value than lrms, otherwise you would just use a couple of those for defense.

and lastly: even though a well devised attack plan should greatly reduce your losses, I am not particularly fond of the possiblility that if you combine lrms with flaks and some more ships, you won't essentially take any losses at all unless an enemy fleet is nearby. by doing that, defense is only good for slowing the enemy down, which is good, but not sufficient imo. we are not talking about undefeatable defenses, just something that does at least slight damage to even a prepared fleet.