Isn't this build rather vulnerable to a rush?

You can scout then go to step 4 at any point a battle is coming. In the mean time you also have much higher income to make cobalts.

lmao it's basically what i've been doing in 1.03..

I just spam light frigs now and tech to lrms slightly latter. (can overwhelm someone rushing to get 5 lrms with your 15+ cobalts and then kill some stuff)

Credits are sooooooo much more important and tec soooo much better now because of the new black market. Vasari's eco has been nerfed pretty hard.


And javs aren't MUCH more costly. Assailants and ESPECIALLY illums are. Javs I barely notice a difference. :/ It's just 25/10/5 increase. Illums got their crystal increased FIFTEEN to 55.

Edit: For some reason my last post came up twice? No clue. Anyways, edited this one to fix. Sorry people.

And now for some reason I can't edit the above post! Awesome!

innociv: I haven't had the chance to play the patch yet, but how different is the black market now? I personally play Vasari, and I've noticed that the black market is more or less my primary source of credits in the early game . They're short on credits as it is, so does that mean they basically are broke-ass now? It's hard enough to get my economy running as it is .

Well, it may appease some of those that thinks TEC has become overpowered (I haven't played online yet, buy fooling around in singleplayer seem to indicate that there might be something about it) that it seems like the second level of Development Mandate have been removed.

I agree with OP. In 1.03 it seems no matter what race I play, I always buy stuff from the black market 500 at a time (Unless really early in the game) while there is a crash. It's retarded. The old resource pool manipulation was way better. I would buy and sell CONSTANTLY. As Vasari I tended to have higher resource income and sell more because my credit income was lacking. On some maps I even had too much crystal! Not enough metal!

The whole thing gets even worse because of the change in game options. Wow they claim to have "added" more option because it's "good." So where the fuck is my resource option? Why can't I play on High Resources, or make things interesting with Random Resources? You know how much slower game is with only 2 frikin extractors per asteroid? The game takes at least 30% LONGER on the same speed as before! You never have enough resources without buying. And you are forced to go to tradeports, and then you have to wait the 15 minutes for it to pay off before you make a fleet.

I'm sorry, maybe there are lot of people so retarded they couldn't understand how and when to manipulate their resource pool to get crucial thing faster, but to kill it for the rest of us was pretty messed up!

Yes on a HUGE map I would play like this in 1.02, but on a small map there was no need. Now even on small map I have to get tradeports, and buy resources. You know refineries are even more worthless! In 1.02 sometimes dare I say I WOULD BUILD REFINERIES. I know I am shocked, but sometimes it is worth it to put 3 refineries that covered 3 ice planets, because crystal cost 2k for 100. But now it is not worth it at all! Hell only reason I would tech refineries is to get to pervasive economy as TEC. Other races don't need them at all. Unless you did something to refineries which we don't know about because you didn't put it in the patch notes, which would constitute as even bigger slap in the face.

yep on the face of it it seems vasari got nerfed really hard. being a vasari econ player my primary strat on any med or bigger map was to rush for early refinery and dominate the black market. Now vassari is forced to go trade ports as early as possible to have any hope to compete due to the double nerf of resource cost and sale price.

please reexamine the market dynamics ic.

i think CptSiddy is right. there are lots of ways to screw it up. all you'd have to do is get a pretty small raiding fleet together and shoot down their trade ports and then get out of the system. thats pretty easy to do with any carrier cap ship with bombers (carrier cruisers with bombers if its a little later on), or any cap ship thats above average vs. structures like a Desolator with Assault Specialization.

OH how about a strategy not involving TEC...

I believe that the "fuck" where your resource option is is under... wait for it... Game Options.



While I'll admit that they removed the random setting, which I'm surprised anyone actually used, it's otherwise intact, so it doesn't really warrant the bitch-fest.

This whole thread seems like nothing but a good advertisement for how important decent AI is to a strategy game.

Wow. The last time I heard someone call someone a tool was like, in high school. Suddenly I feel humbled by your rapier wit.

Anyway, my apologies. I didn't actually realize that the new option operated differently than the old one. That's a surprise, and an odd choice on someone's part.

So, I suppose that means that everyone's incessant bitching and cursing is perfectly justified, so by all means, BITCH ON! (Throw in some name-calling, for good measure.)