Yep, in the interface settings there should be a check box for toggling display of civilian ships

As per your issue with ships not behaving properly, do you have a save and/or replay? If not, make sure you get it the next time you see it happen and mail it off to support@ironcladgames.com with a description for them to look at.

Ships definitely shouldn't be jumping around on their own

I've had something like this happen before, but only in a huge game that's been running for several days, it's like the game starts losing track of which ship is where and who is in what fleet. Worst time was when I was sending in a backup fleet to assist another when it suddenly disbanded and shot off in all directions.

Replays are actually saved automatically in your user path when you quit a game, so it's just a matter of finding the right one A save game in progress while it's happening, if you can catch it, would probably be more beneficial since they can run it with their debug builds to figure out what the ships are trying to do - but a replay would still be useful

I'm probably the only Sins player who doesn't like the Empire Tree. I wish I could minimize it entirely. I mainly don't like the fact that you can't scroll it while paused, which is an annoyance I keep running into over and over. I also hate the way the pip boxes dominate the screen when there are large fleets.

In general, I find it awkward to rearrange fleets in this game. I dread the thought of having to split a large fleet in half. I've experimented with that quite a bit, and I just can't seem to find a comfortable way to do it.

But the game is still very cool despite such annoyances.

I've had this happen a couple of times too in larger games. What seems to happen is that an enemy ship of some sort, normally a light frigate, comes into a defense fleet's gravity well to scout it out rather than sending the actual scout frigate. They target the hostile ship, it jumps away, and then they pursue rather than sitting there following defend orders. This never happens if the fleet engagement orders are set to hold position or local area. When they're on gravity well mode they do sometimes take off. Normally I catch it before there's harm, but sometimes a couple of ships will just go off pursing the enemy and they'll get wiped out. This only seems to happen in larger games were I can't be everywhere at the same time.

If you monitor a ships where an enemy light frigate just jumped in to scout and hold down alt, you'll notice that your ships will auto-attack that ship and then when it jumps out they will commonly auto-pursue. Normally the auto-pursuit blue line gets canceled before your ship gets to the jump point there, but not always.

No, you're not the only one. I don't like it either, but that doesn't mean I don't use it. It's rather annoying to have to minimize each planet. I want them there to click on, but I wish they were spaced closer together and didn't automatically expand unless a battle was going on. At any other time I normally don't care to see the structures around the planet since I manually place all my structures. I do use the pinned fleets option all the time and I also use the expanded view of an enemy planet to prioritize targets.

I never use it, and you can get rid of it, just unpin everything from it in the game options and it goes away.

I may use it more in online play, to quickly identify which system is being attacked etc... but you can just zoom out and look for hostile colored blips on your planets.

To be honest I rarely pause so I was going off the patch note. Did you update from SDC, or standalone? I know some folks were reporting issues where they applied the patch off SDC and it showed version 1.04, but not all of the proper changes were made. Kind of a shot in the dark, but if you didn't use the stand-alone patch, try it. Don't need to uninstall or anything, updating over what you have should work. It'll likely reset your settings again, though.



If this is what happens, then I would call this a bug. Ships have never actually jumped after their targets before.

I updated with the standalone and it still won't let me scroll while paused.

https://www.sinsofasolarempire.com/update

There ya go

Download/patch... I had issues with the SDC version, all it did was change the version number


Also, I had the same issue with an entire fleet chasing a scout out of the gravity well they were in, in fact they chased it 2 full systems before they killed it(small fleet, not many strike craft) and I finally noticed where the heck they were.

Ironhandx, thanks for the link! Actually, I did get 1.04 from that link on this website. I wasn't sure if that was the "standalone" version mentioned above, because the download link on that page actually downloads from stardock.com (but not through funky "Stardock Central").

Anyway, I checked, and it turns out that I sorta can scroll the Empire Tree while paused in 1.04. Sorta. Sometimes it works fairly (but not very) smoothly. Sometimes it balks, which is why I had the impression it doesn't work at all.

I'm intrigued by your comment that you can unpin everything on the Empire Tree and make it go away. I tried to do that several times and couldn't make it happen. I'll try again! I think it desperately needs to be more "context sensitive" instead of pushing itself into my face all the time. I'd like to have a key command toggle that would just disappear it, but let me turn it right back on when wanted.