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I think it's because everyone got bored of Africa's petty stupid problems thirty years ago.

I think that people aren't as selfish as that. I mean I am quite certain many would sacrifice a lot for those in suffering. I just don't think the suffering is that well known. I have seen very little in the media about Tibet or other cases such as Sudan.

I would just like to point out, that on an historical scale, genocide is a way of life in Asia. It always has been (not that I condone it, quite the contrary).

If you stop and think about it, and assemble a list of genocides and attempted genocides in Asian countries. You will find that they happen probably every 15-30 years or so all the way back as far as recorded history goes (with a few periods of stability interspersed throughout).

Eh, as long as we are talking about screwed up atrocities...

Did you know that the Japanese killed ~35,000,000 Chinese in WW2? But you never, ever, ever hear about the Japanese getting any grief for committing mass murder on a scale that eclipsed even the Nazi's Holocaust. Also, never forget the Rape of Nanking.

Truly, and unfortunately, there is nothing new under the sun.

Just look at the cost and willingness to sacrifice in our current war in Iraq (deposing a dictator who had committed numberous human rights violations and atrocities). I see a lot of complaining within the US and not a lot of people joining the military. I see a huge lack of support from outside the US to help end the war there. What do you think it would take to fix all the worlds problems much less keep China in check? I don't think people are really willing to sacrifice what it would take to end the oppression in Tibet.

The dragon is rising and there is not much we can do about it without massive sacrifice. Are you willing to forgoe all the cheap products they produce? Are you willing to risk a war with the next superpower? China is a huge threat to western civilization and they are organized and willing. Unfortunatly, they have their hooks in everything. I think it is a travesty to allow them to even host the olympics.

Huh? Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, in some way (still) Germany...

you are right my mistake

the sad, sad truth.   

its sad that its come to this, all this war and hate. Now there are only 2 options for the world.

1) Aliens attack the Earth, and humanity unites to defeat them.

2) This is even less likely, a very inteligent and humanatarian leader comes into power, and unites the world via diplomacy.

With all these wars, invasions, casualties, and cruelties; we lose sight of the things that matter. We're all humans.

I'm sorry, I intend on staying out of this but....



No, Palestine doesnt exist as a sovereign nation because We (the British and the Americans) were and still are complicit in the destruction of it and its people.

Secondly you realise this arguement means that Tibet doesnt count as occupied either right?

Here offkey:

Tibet, before and after occupation
History of Tibet before Occupation

ooohhh someone should do a mod...the races could be:

1) Chinese: the power of communism - industry bonuses and cheap units
2) Tibetans: the power of buddhism - reincarnation and passive resistance tactics
3) Americans: the power accusation - can pull in Nato forces as backup when strategies get out of hand (or are completely wrong)

There's so much that can be done with this!

I've to laugh at the first link you give.
Let's read something much serious: http://cc.purdue.edu/~wtv/tibet/history0.html

To make my point that how the internet could affect your view of the world, I give you anther link: http://www.quant-media.com/collections/tibet_flyer1.pdf

Should we ever start debating these things in a game forum in the first place?

Well, part of the fact is that the US and most other countries of the world are in no position to tell China what to do for anything. They can't agree in the UN, and quite frankly, no one has the balls to take the economic hit. Hell, you'd be crying once the economy comes crashing down because we unilaterily decided to piss off a major economic superpower.

Face it- If America can't take the pain of occupying a dinky little part of the Mideast and fusses over deposing a tyrant and not being able to keep up standards there, just THINK how fucked up a mess things will be if we try messing with a country that could actually -do- serious, actual damage instead of just causing liberals to bitch.

Is it that the government is against war, or is it the PEOPLE against war? We can't even stand the thought of cleaning up after ourselves in Iraq, and you want to take on an economic and nuclear superpower? You're kidding, right?

The US won against the USSR because it actually had the nuts to fight covert wars in Africa, Afganistan, Nicaragua, and all over the globe. We rid the world of an extremely evil empire. And what does Ronald Regan get? Bitching about the deficit it caused and the economic sitauation thereafter. Honestly, I think you finding a hard time getting a job is -worth- demolishing political oppression. I think a few years of chaos is worth telling the people in the world, stop being dictators.

The unfortunate fact is, that if the US took action against China, it would simply cause more Tibetans to die, more Americans to die, and more of everyone to die, and quite frankly, it would never be able to win. Other than cultural persuasion and diplomatic influence, the US doesn't really have any leverage on China it could use to make such demands. The best way to do it is to follow the Dhalai Llama- A slow course of persuasion determined at changing people's minds.

If anything history has shown, China can be persuaded. Look at it now compared to 20 years ago. Grassroots protests and hippie wagons are -exactly- the right tools for this kind of job.