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Will America always be a superpower?

By on April 29, 2008 6:14:05 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

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As China continues to rise without any signs of stoping, it seems more and more likly that America is going to be second place. Will America fall into second, or will china succues stop and America will be number one until the next up and coming country wants to take first. What do you think?
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April 29, 2008 6:40:17 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums
China will need to build more entertainment structures or their morale will drop quickly due to overpopulation.
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April 29, 2008 6:55:35 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
Russia fell from economic power and it was still considered a superpower. Whether china surpasses it or not america will alway be there for better or worse. Chine owns 1.5 trillion in reserves, most in U.S. dollors. That means China is holding the key to the american dream. Americans have more money and are living better then should as China is bolstering the U.S. economy. As soon as that changes there will be a stock market crash and basicly the U.S. is fucked.

Luckly Canada wont be as bad off! Yeah for Canada!

Cheers Everybody
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April 29, 2008 7:00:27 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums
China will need to build more entertainment structures or their morale will drop quickly due to overpopulation.


Hahaha.. I love that.

In all seriousness, China is on the way up. Would it be so bad to be 2nd? America is due for some dramatic changes.
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April 29, 2008 7:04:47 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
Chinas success has mainly to due with their low health and labor laws.
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April 29, 2008 7:06:58 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums
At the moment, China and the United States have a necessary and symbiotic relationship, regardless of political and ideological disagreements. This may eventually change as production current in China shifts to other Asian nations, including India. What is not often realized is that the services China provides to us can be, in time, replaced.

However, what we provide to China may not be replaced so easily. There is a lot of concern about China's rapid growth, but realistically, it is simply not sustainable, especially with their internationally disagreeable economic tactics.

Yet we can be replaced, easily or not. What happens to our position in the world 20 years from now will depend very greatly on the next five years.

Coincidentally, the obvious answer to this question is, in the long-term: no, of course not. It's foolish to think so.

But for the next 100 years? Possibly.
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April 29, 2008 7:12:37 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
one day, someone, somewhere, will suddenly notice that The United States is no longer the one calling the shots around the world. It will not happen suddenly, it will happen as it always has for empires, slowly.

It is inevitable. However if you look at history and the timeframe that empires rise, Platow and then decline, then The USA has about another 150-200 years under it's belt before it will really begin its slow decline. If history holds up in it pattern it will be in the latter part of the 23rd century that we will no longer be the preeminent power in the world and sometime around the 25th we will likely cease to exist as a coherent civilization.

It is funny; I am listening to ballads of the Green Berets by SSgt Barry Sadler. I put it on for the first time in years and then came across this post.

Yes, America will one day fall, but not today!
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April 29, 2008 7:26:19 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
I don’t see any way the USA is replaced by China as the worlds sole superpower, sure it’s GDP is growing with extreme speed (due primarily to American investments), and it’s population is massive but those two things do not make a superpower, Americas GDP is still the highest in the world (with the possible exception of the EU but that entity is not a country) it’s military is (in conventional warfare) effectively invincible, and despite the constant stream of news about a recession (defined by 6 months of negative GDP growth) the USA’s GDP is still growing (at slower rate than usual however). Not to mention that China has finally been forced to end it’s practice of devaluing it’s currency, has plenty of domestic unrest, and judging by the reaction to it’s hosting of the Olympic games is extremely unpopular in the world. So in short I don’t see China surpassing the US in superpower status, a status which might be irrelevant if the powerful trend of globalization continues to make the world smaller.
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April 29, 2008 8:02:34 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
BRIC. If you don't know what the term means, that means you'll be shocked within a few years. Greatly.
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April 29, 2008 8:11:53 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
Brazil, Russia, India and China, all have a large number of problems that prevent them from reaching their assumed potential, all have a very impoverished population, none have so far lived up to their supposed economic potential, Russia’s population is actually declining and finally predicting the futures of any of these volatile countries is impossible
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April 29, 2008 8:19:15 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
I have to agree with SpacePony...mostly Nothing lasts forever, but I think the United States will still exist as a "coherent civilization" unless some form of global government comes about (like that will happen) I doubt the United States would break apart like the USSR did, and I doubt the United States would fall like the Roman Empire did. But the United States will not fall very far any time soon.

Even if our stock market crashes, we will recover. And the economy is very much tied together globally now. If our economy crashes, so will the economies in other major nations around the world. Maybe not as devastating as what we may have, but every major economy in the world will feel it in some shape or form, whether their exports to america decrease, or whatever...
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April 29, 2008 8:35:24 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
The thing is, if Brazil, Russia, India or China ceased to exist, the world will feel MUCH greater effects than if the US suddenly disappeared. If the US disappeared, people would rise up a heck of a lot of dust over the internet, but eventually(within 2 months), everything the US gives the world predominantly(mainly movies, music and... well, that's it), would be replaced with products from France and the UK. Whereas the BRIC lands are irreplaceable. Even with their problems taken into account(personal freedoms, coverage, economic stability) they will, by the year 2050(very much likely sooner) completely take over the world economics market.
BradenK, sure, the world will feel the impact of the disappearance of the US. Briefly. But can you imagine the impact of a Chinese block on all exports? That's a mild effect(compared to revolution, wars, ceasing to exist, etc.), and it's scarry stuff!
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April 29, 2008 8:36:15 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
What about the rising Arab populations in Europe? Immigration is big in Europe. How big? This big- "Immigration already accounts for 70% of EU population growth in the past five years, with most of the immigrants going to Italy, Britain, and Germany."

-http://www.ismi.emory.edu/Articles/InternationalPress/Tel%20Aviv%20Notes.html

That means that most countries could soon be run by Arabs. Arabs don't like us. There are powerful nukes in Europe. We are running around shooting people in Arab countries. What problem will this cause?
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April 29, 2008 8:44:02 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
no all great empire eventually die out and become weak sadly enough it may happen sooner then we think
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April 29, 2008 9:00:23 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
I disagree will the though of China or any other country surpassing the US any time soon. Yes, they are all growing economically, yes they supply much of the labor force and lands. But you are missing one very important factor.

Most of those entities in those foreings countries, the owners of all those factories, the big guys. Most of them are Americans.

As such it if foolish to think that Brazil, Russia, India, or China would supplant the US as the most influential Superpower. IMHO, the US is the head, while the other countries are the arms and legs.

Look at Venezuela, since the goverment took control of the oil production, they are having trouble maintaining and running their oil industry without trained and experienced personel from the US. The same thing will happen to China if it try to cut off the US. China's citizens are not well educated nor are they rich enough to start investing in multimillion dollars industries.

Farmers and factory workers can not sustain a capitalist country.
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April 29, 2008 9:13:26 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums
We may eventually all grow weak in America and not be a super power. But America will never die. If America dies, the entire world goes with us because of our nukes. Plain and simple. Or, there is an asteroid impact that destroys the world, or some other event that would have to devestate our entire planet for America to die off completely.
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April 29, 2008 9:19:20 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
Farmers and factory workers can not sustain a capitalist country.



I've never heard a dumber statement! Farmers and factory workers are the country.   
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April 29, 2008 9:19:59 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums
The thing is, if Brazil, Russia, India or China ceased to exist, the world will feel MUCH greater effects than if the US suddenly disappeared. If the US disappeared, people would rise up a heck of a lot of dust over the internet, but eventually(within 2 months), everything the US gives the world predominantly(mainly movies, music and... well, that's it), would be replaced with products from France and the UK. Whereas the BRIC lands are irreplaceable. Even with their problems taken into account(personal freedoms, coverage, economic stability) they will, by the year 2050(very much likely sooner) completely take over the world economics market.BradenK, sure, the world will feel the impact of the disappearance of the US. Briefly. But can you imagine the impact of a Chinese block on all exports? That's a mild effect(compared to revolution, wars, ceasing to exist, etc.), and it's scarry stuff!


Wow, what are you smoking? If America dies, the world losses our technological advancement. Are we not, overall, the most high tech country right now?

Can other countries maintain the technological edge we can? Oh yeah, working in a retarded communist nation where I get paid sh*& farmer wages to work as a high tech scientist while getting beat over stupid crap (i dont know because maybe I pissed standing up instead of sitting down?) is real good incentive to devote 20 hours a day to advancing my country.
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April 29, 2008 9:28:16 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums
Wow, what are you smoking? If America dies, the world losses our technological advancement. Are we not, overall, the most high tech country right now? Can other countries maintain the technological edge we can? Oh yeah, working in a retarded communist nation where I get paid sh*& farmer wages to work as a high tech scientist while getting beat over stupid crap (i dont know because maybe I pissed standing up instead of sitting down?) is real good incentive to devote 20 hours a day to advancing my country.[/quote]

I agree as the saying goes, talent goes where the money is.


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April 29, 2008 9:32:43 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
America won't be a superpower forever and I personally can't wait for that day. It'll be funny to watch all the other countries of the world point at someone else and whine about how it's some superpower's fault that they keep screwing things up.
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April 29, 2008 9:36:02 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

no...wait, here's something even dumber! wow...  


...America will never die. If America dies, the entire world goes with us because of our nukes. Plain and simple.



really unbelievable....... *sigh*
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April 29, 2008 9:39:30 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
Wow, what are you smoking? If America dies, the world losses our technological advancement. Are we not, overall, the most high tech country right now?


No, we are not that more advanced than other countries right now as this study shows: The 2007 statistics show China with a technological standing of 82.8, compared to 76.1 for the United States, 66.8 for Germany and 66.0 for Japan. Just 11 years ago, China’s score was only 22.5. The United States peaked in 1999 with a score of 95.4. -http://www.gatech.edu/newsroom/release.html?id=1682

We are really not that advanced anymore. Did you here about the incedent were China claimed they could "ping" our satellites with lasers? If they did that all of our cell phones, nukes, and gps would be disabled. The US isn't going to fall overnight but we are already on the road to ruin. (And are screwed if Hillary is elected.)
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April 29, 2008 9:39:35 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums
What about the rising Arab populations in Europe? Immigration is big in Europe. How big? This big- "Immigration already accounts for 70% of EU population growth in the past five years, with most of the immigrants going to Italy, Britain, and Germany." -http://www.ismi.emory.edu/Articles/InternationalPress/Tel%20Aviv%20Notes.htmlThat means that most countries could soon be run by Arabs. Arabs don't like us. There are powerful nukes in Europe. We are running around shooting people in Arab countries. What problem will this cause?


Good point, but that will only happen as long as oil is king. As stated in ony of my post, "what do you think will happen to the middle east when oil is replaced with alternative fuels?". when oil is gone the middle east is going to need find something else to be importent in.
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April 29, 2008 9:53:42 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
If McCain/Bush get their 100 years in Iraq, no, our superpower status will be slowly but surely sapped by useless wars. Everyone else is making civic research stations and trade structures, but we keep making carriers thinking we will convince other people to love us by a show of force.

Decades of Republican leadership has destroyed the New Deal economic structures that made us the superpower we are. Medicare (Bush turned it into a big pharma subsidy), social security, food stamps, public universities, the GI bill, wide open immigration for scientists (Manhattan Project), financial regulations to prevent market crashes, price controls on food, subsidies to keep food prices down, intervention in the oil markets to keep prices down (Clinton used to pump from the SPR to suppress oil prices), meaningful labor laws, unions, whistle-blower protection, infrastructure development, public ownership of public paid for utilities, and high enough taxes on the rich to subsidize the construction of a greater and more powerful nation. Reagan Bush worked really hard to kill the New Deal and it is coming home to roost. To top it all off, the Reaganites, Bush, and McCain plan on committing our military to pointless wars until that is destroyed as well.
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April 29, 2008 10:07:12 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums
no...wait, here's something even dumber! wow...  
...America will never die. If America dies, the entire world goes with us because of our nukes. Plain and simple.really unbelievable....... *sigh*


And your intelligent arugment why this isn't so? Tell me, how will America die? For us not to be a country anymore, we would have to be all killed enough where the few survivers essentially give up. I mean, crap, Europe was a war zone for centuries and we still have France, Germany, Spain, etc. right?

Will we lose super power status? Sure, entirely possible. You can't be number 1 forever. But it will be a cold day in hell before america litteraly dies.
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April 29, 2008 10:09:11 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums
Good point, but that will only happen as long as oil is king. As stated in ony of my post, "what do you think will happen to the middle east when oil is replaced with alternative fuels?". when oil is gone the middle east is going to need find something else to be importent in.


Also a good point, but oil will be needed for quite some time. There are many uses for oil, and even if the US or China creates some new super-fuel, less-developed countries will buy the oil to run our "hand-me-down" cars and generators. Plus oil companies have shot down new fuel sources before and will do it again.
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