I really do not think Starbases are super capital ship.

First of all, in current state they are just way more expansive than capital ships (the cost of colony frigate, initial cost for base, upgrade costs for weapons and one hull/shield/armour upgrade outweights the capital ship with a supply upgrade)

And you say there will be compliants with starbases no being able to move freely..... well that's my intention. Starbase should not have same mobility as normal ships.

Or We can limit the number of upgrade slots tied to a planet. So with one planet your starbase can have 8 upgrade slots. So you will either have 1 fully upgraded starbases or 8 unupgraded starbases. I think this can balance things out.

If we aren't going to increase the range lets increase the number allowed in a gravewell...They are to expensive and easy to bypass. Or you could go a step further and allow a small amount of other defensive structures to be built around the starbase. I almost cried when a fleet of enemy advent jumped to an occupied colony just outside the range of the base...after all those credits...i mean the novolith cannon is less expensive and can take out enemy colonies from the cozyness of your capital planet. Nonetheless it was not what i was expecting, a station of that physical magnitude should be something amazing...or you could always greatly increase power (range, damage, structure etc) at a higher price and have it build much slower...basically i did not enjoy the cost vs usability of the  new starbases, hopefully something is done. I personally would love for at least fifty percent of the gravewell to be covered.

My point is, EadTaes, we already have a unit with decent textures and render that can do same/similar job.

Why starbases need to have that ability that another defense unit has? It only makes unnecessary role overlap and pretty much make the phase inhibitor unbuilt and unused. We already have TOO MANY units not being used, and you guys saying you want more units being not useful?

And again EadTaes, starbase is not that powerful enough to be overpowered, and multiple underupgraded starbases are plain weaker than a low-level battle cap.

Keep sending a builtup base means that I have enough money to spend so much resources, even more than enemies can afford, then should I win the game?

By the way, I said that phase jump should be disabled after 4 upgrades, this prevent people from sending a fully upgraded starbases for attack and force them to upgrade further after reaching the enemy territory.

Since people keep saying that starbases needs to be built slower, I don't think it would be ever possible to build a starbase in middle of battle. Hey! in current state captial ships with 8000hp included shields goesdown in 20 sec by concentrated fire, let alone a built unit which has mere less than 1000hp in first few seconds.

The jump prevention if you read is there onyl to prevent the enemy from going any further into your territory not to prevent him from retreating. This is dictated by teh owenership of the gravwell he wants to jump to.

Also as pointed out phase stabilisers were useless at preventing and advancing enemy from advancing further sicne their could easily be destroyed. Sicne enemy has a fleet and you probably don't so it already wast good for defending.

What phase disruptors are good at are delaying the enemy when he tried to run away. Because in that senario you have the advantage over him and for him destroyign the disruptor is not likely to happen. It's a tool to punish teh enemy that trie dto attake you and failed. At leats that is how i have always used them. Were as the base will not dot hat it will fill the role of defending your back worlds and have no effect on and enemy fleet that is running away. And in case you didnt read my post in my tread I'll put it here. It's prety easy to understand.

Also I'll post my idea for making starbases block enemies.

Me the way to fix going around starbases is to make it so that hostile forces are not able to jump towards Friendly planets if you have a starbase present. But that they can jump to any uncontroled or that they or they allies ownd.

Blue is 100% free to move int he direction the arrows points. If their sin<t and arrow he cannot go there without killignt he base first.

So Blue owner of planet E can jump to A.

He can retreat back to E if he wants.

But he can no go from A to B and C.

HE can jump to D and then to B.

From be he can also jump back to A, but cannot jump back to B after.

So in the end C is the only planet that Blue cannot jump to without killing reds Starbase at A

Now if the game codding will allow this i do not know. But it would be the best way to do it.

Oh and scouts with jump interference immune research should ignore this and be able to jump everywere anytime.

lol frogot about is that it only takes 4 upgrades for a starbase to become pwerful. 2 to health an 2 to wepons an 2 of em will be much stronger def to 1 starbase with full upgrades. Also they cover 2x the range. Ull have to rethink 8 slots is too many and also if u want one to move past ur frontline that is an 8 upgrade already then you wont be able to unless it has no upgrdaes.

I disagree with strabases with a phase inhibitor, even if it might be "cool" (ie starbases around gas giant/roid/ect, where you cant build a phase inhibitor). It would make the game turtlled as ever and it would take years to finish a game, wich IS NOT what we want (go play Gal Civ II then )

I only tried Vasari yet, i tought all races's starbases could move like vasari's one. So what I could suggest is adding a 2/2 sloted capacity: "Tactical Engines" first rank would grant the starbase to move very slowly and second upgrade move as fast as a vasari base, keeping it free for vasari, since they are the phase masters.

Having static starbases is imo pretty useless, like turrets were in 1.xx vanilla game. They are too costly, better build a fleet or add another cap to a defensive fleet if ever.

Starbases arent that powerful, if they remain static, long range frigs and bombers will tear them down while they wont give a single shot. Vasari bases are much more a threat (for a small fleet) since they'll move toward the enemy. So that's why i suggest to add an engine upgrade to tec and advent bases.

And btw i think upgrades on starbases shouldnt all cost the same price. Some are more valuable than other, some can only build once. I could suggest to make the cost of same multiple upgrade like planetary improvement: cheapest at start, getting more and more expensive as soon as you add modules.

on the Vasari movement thing, I think theirs should be able to move, as pointed out above, only their starbase is anti-starbase.  its called balance.  it can be done with diferent items balancing each other out.  just make it so that the Vasari starbase has a passive ability that doesn't allow other starbases to jump into the well it's in (maybe explain it away as a mass thing, or that starbases have a different kind of phase drive).  as the others can't move, it would only affect the Vasari starbases.  If this ability were like Lingering Presence (the nullifier remains intact for a while after the base is destroyed), then there wouldn't be starbase punding.  this would make it fairly even, as the other factions' heavy construction ships would still be able to move into the well, but not starbases.

i havne't tried it ingame myself, but it looks like its supposed to work like this

3 strikes (level 1) / 6 strikes (level 2) that do 300 health and 40 population damage each, or 900/120 1800/240 damage. That's a pretty hard hit, but it can probably be regenerated before the starbase fires again if the planet isn't bombarded in the meantime.

Also if they get the abilaty that is suposed to protect your planet to work the enemy will ahve no choise but to kill the base before he can take over your world. Thus you can build everything you need in a small area. The enemi is forced to come to you. The vasari on teh otehr hand would be able to go to the enemi in case they are waiting for more back up. So that would be a vasari advantage.

As for more range they could maybe get a bit more. But i would want to see the bases fully functioning properly before doing that. But they definately need higer DPS and a higher regenrate.

Considering the range/not moving thing , maybe there could be a starbase ability that makes the whole gravity well essentially force attack it permanently, like a 24/7 animosity!

Slow starbase movement is useless and doesn't make up for the pathetic range. Try the Vasari one out if you like. It gets about 3 shots in, then the ships sail by and are out the gravity well before it's halfway across.

They need more range. If we need to nerf Drone Hosts, I'm fine with that. Repulsion is a giant pain in the ass and very difficult to deal with right now anyway, and Advent carrier spam can destroy a much larger fleet that is not absolutely tailor-made to taking out the carriers.