I too have to take back some comments: was on the receiving end of an advent assault and had a medium upgraded sb (2 weapons, 2 health) as well as on the offensive as advent vs a tec base and I can savely say that with guardians and around 30 + heavy ships (heavy cruisers or illums) and maybe a motherships, you won't take very many losses, even against highly upgraded starbases. if it's more effective than adjudicator ... well, depends. let's let reduce the adjudicator to a starbase buster, but as a general defense breaker. I'd say if the starbase is supported by lots and lots of tactical structures like point defense turrets or hangars, a force of adjudicators may well be much more effective than an (resource) equal fleet of ogrovs. they work in slightly different ways and are appropriate for slightly different occasions and thats a good thing tbh. and as we saw, starbases aren't a huge problem to defeat in and by themselves, just bring a good sized fleet to take it out and you should be fine.

yeah the self destruct is pretty damn funny when you get to push the big red button

it still has bugs and in lots of tests does very random damage to surrounding ships and structures, but that goes in another thread.

but still I would prefer 20 carriers that sit on the edge of the gravity well and shoot that base to pieces

they can even outrun the vasari base while spamming bombers and fighters.

in terms of balance, keep the current adjudicator stats and make them 20% cheaper and use less fleet supply.

that would at least make me think to take some of them along to speed up damage to planet defenses.

Going on a sidetrack of my own here..

When the Argonev uses the Security Override Protocol to blow itself up the explosion should damage everything including friendly structures and ships.

Same goes for mines. Explosions can't be selective. That's like... cheating.

Friendlies should not trigger mines, just be damaged if they get caught in the explosion.

Glad to hear the Argonev works like that. I thought it wouldn't because of the mines.

Unupgraded Starbases have too little hull. Nano bomb + a few assailants eat them just as fast as any capital ship which is in a matter of seconds.

I suggested earlier raising the starting hull of Starbases and having them start out without shields.

Wouldn't hurt if the Nano Disassembler was balanced to be on par with other cap abilities either. It does way too much damage considering how powerful the armor penalty alone is.

But since the Egg already eats frigates, capital ships and planets it's only logical it now eats starbases too.

Annatar the cielo is late game unit and the egg is first unit built besides a few scouts. By the time you get cielo your enemy has their support cruisers as well. I dunno if you play online but if your strat is to get cielo by the time your enemy has level 3 nano and 15-25 kanracks then I bet you will lose everytime.

On the flip side subverter negates 10% mitigation and 25% shield for their entire fleet add that with egg and kanracks and instant death for anything.

Oh lol. That may be true. I think the point is that nothing can match the firepower of the egg and a small fleet of karnacks fleet point for fleet point. I would bet there is a huge gap as well. Time is a factor too. Kanrack is first ship of the game 99% of the time.