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There's no such thing.

Contentious threads eventually end up with some twit going OTT and getting removed...or the thread closed....so I'm here just in case.

Sadly [as I said] I end up sifting through dross....hoping people will just 'move on' as the issue is really a lost cause.  It's pretty much a dead cert that no-one will read something here and shreik 'eureka!!!! at last the answer'.

If someone's LOOKING for one....it is equally as likely to be here is in the bottom of a whiskey glass.

I don't care for either 'end' of the topic really.  You either believe in God...or you don't....you either accept that along with a coexistence of science as human understanding or you don't.

You WON'T alter anyone's opinion either way, and certainly not with effusive ebullience from any side of the 'fence'.

The only reason to stay out is because you cannot support your case (no big deal) ... or you have given up once again. The religious see pitfalls at every turn, they see the ghosts that are 'hiding' from the rest of us and they think every harsh word or any opposing facts are a direct attack (on what I wonder) ... as you indicated here. I have no idea what SivCorp is even trying to accomplish here besides demonstrating his bias and his misunderstanding and misstating of the sciences, whatever floats ones boat.

The problem David is that the subject of god outside of religion is impossible to discuss IMO. At some point it is going to come up … how or why? And as far as I know without the bible(s) and the religions … or the sciences (for the fools) … there is no way good way to argue for god except for some ‘personal’ experience. All I will say about that is that we have many hospitals crammed with people who have had their own singular experiences of unknown origins.

And just because a moderator morphs into an actual communicative human being on occasion (hahaha) … he is not allowed his two cents worth too. What is inappropriate with telling a blowhard that they have heard enough already. This crap reminds me of Lula … only secular wording is used instead … the intent is the same. It is obvious to me why people who seem to thrive on ‘battling science’ in order to promote their mysticism, are confused … the battle has already been decided … and these kinds of people are just feebly trying to get back in. If you guys cannot coexist with science then you are sealing your own fates … the sciences are not going away … they are just going to get better.

Personally, I don't either, hahaha.

 

Have I launched a SINGLE personal attack at anyone while I've been on these forums? 

Don't worry about me Jafo, I don't get emotional with this stuff, its just science.

 

I'm not making you read it, I am answering questions (and accusations) that have been leveled at me.  I've already said I studied this crap for a long time.... I feel I can share what I've found over the years if I want to.

 

I'm not searching for the meaning of life, I've found it, a while ago, but I don't think I went into that here at all, did I?  Nor am I talking about RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS!  I am taking about GOD and SCIENCE.  GOD AND SCIENCE

 

And btw, MOST of this evidence conflicts with evolution science.  Degradation flies strait in the face of evolution...  

 

If you all can't handle the conflicting science... I don't think I'm the one with the problem....

Ok, back to Biology and its obvious problems with evolution theory.

The biggest problem with evolution in biology is that an Evolutionist looks at a creature and sees adaptation, where as Science can see it as a Design.
Take the human ear for example.  Evolution claims that the 3 tiny bones that make up the ear "evolved" from the jaw bone over millions of years.  But how could this be?  Any mutation that doesn't serve a purpose (like separate bones coming off a jaw) would be lost in the replication process I went over already.  And the fossil record doesn't support a gradual shift.... There are no "in between" species that have been proven to exist... only a different variety of species.  The complexity of the human ear simply could not have come from mutation.  All the chemical, mechanical and electrical systems that are needed for it to work could not evolve independently.  

So what about the "missing link?"
Contrary to the Evolutionist, the missing link between man and ape is still missing.  The famous Lucy fossil skull is simply a more upright ape, similar to chimps.  This misrepresentation is further brought to light, in the fact that Lucy species skulls have been found in the same layer as modern man skulls.  The SAME layers!  One must deduce that they had to coexist with modern humans.  and died out from some disease, or environmental reason.  Much like how modern man looses many species due to rainforest deforestation.  Much more evidence is there for those who want to find it, and this evidence all contradicts the Evolutionist theory of a common ancestry and adaptive evolution.

Now look at bees and flowers.  Both developed independently of each other, both from different ancestors, and, according to evolutionists dating, both at different times (40+ million years difference).  The one problem with this timeline from Evolutionists is that flowers are interdependent on pollination.  But bees didn't develop at the same time... and if this is true, then most, if not all flowering plants would have died out from lack of pollination.  If we look at modern creatures, there are many more symbiotic relationships between species that cannot be explained with evolution science.  

Flight is another big problem with Evolutionists.  There have yet to be ANY fossil records of the missing link between reptile and bird.  Think about it... A bird would have to have feathers or stretched skin, hollow bones, and larger lungs/stronger and different designed shoulder muscles to be able to fly.  By natural selection, any partial deformity that would bring a creature to that state, without even one of these traits, would be eaten by the closest predator.  The science of biological flight had to happen at the same time, for it to have worked.  Birds are vastly more complicate that this even, but Evolutionist insist that they evolved from reptiles, even though no fossil record has been found.  but the answer is obvious, Birds are designed to be birds.

Now on to the fun stuff

Sexual genetic deterioration is the deterioration of the DNA code in close family interbreeding.  In ancient times, it has been shown that many brother/sister relationships occurred.  Families would routinely intermarry and procreate, and no real problems occurred from this.  However, modern families cannot do that without risking massive birth defects.  The DNA code of humans have been replicated to the point of imbalance.  So ancient humans had "purer" genetic code than modern humans.  If we look at all the cancers, defects and shorter lifespans of humans now, we can see how the DNA replication of Humans is loosing more information as time marches on.  If we plot this DNA deterioration on a graph, we can deduce that humanity isn't as old as Evolutionists try to claim.... humanity is only 6,000 years old, according to DNA deterioration.  This much DNA deterioration would cause humans to be extinct long ago, if humanity is millions of years old.

Ok, that is enough for now.  I will have one more post on the biological evolution science issues, and then we can sift to Geological science.

 

I will write a sum up on it all after all my evidence has been presented.  Feel free to take issue with any of it, but remember... it is science too.  So I'm not going to debate your feelings or religion...

Give me science and God, not religion.

This shows the bias from the start: "whereas Science can see it as design" is really more like "whereas Creationists can (only) see it as design."

It is easy to to take issue with everything you present. For example: Only bees and flowers? You must be joking. How about abiotic pollination, cross pollination, or the wide variety of pollinators that exist? Roughly 200,000 varieties of animal pollinators are in the wild. Are you simply starting with the assumption that Evolution is false to come up with conclusions that are easily debatable at the click of a mouse? A little google action easily shows that your CANNOTS actually do have explanations which show how certain things actually CAN or could have happened.

It's really not worth debating these things in such a forum because many of us know where to look on the web to find actual scientific information that directly contradicts your cannots,  and how things that are so obvious to you (and whoever you have copied your "scientific" information from) are not so obvious at all.

 

Which conclusions are you speaking of?

How is this contrary to Evolutionist theory? This is well known amongst evolutionists.

 

You pick.  Pick any conclusion you want, I will wager that debunking it on the internet is a few simple mouse clicks away.

 

Extensive debunking of carbon dating--and, for that matter, all dating based on radioactive half-life--has already been done.  You can go your local forensics body farm and carbon-date bones from human beings alive 30 days ago--and discover they've been dead for the last 15,000 years.   A few years ago, there was a canyon in Texas that formed literally overnight (well okay, it might have been daytime part of the time...).  The reason we know is because people remember it not being there before...and then the floods receded, and there it was.   Had no one been there before, the "experts" would have been claiming it formed over the course of millions of years.

All this to say, you have to support your claims, too.  You are taking a lot of presumptions to be axiomatic, and in so doing, you are just as guilty as the creationists you are discrediting.   And just as a disclaimer, I am undecided when it comes to either creationism or evolutionism.

SivCorp; all you seem to want to do is trash evolution, as if that would somehow prove god exists to the rest of us … it cannot … it wouldn’t. Most seem to know that evolution has absolutely nothing to do with god … but the real intelligential are not so gullible as to try and combine the two. As intelligent as you like to appear, I will form my views from published and peer reviewed ‘experts’ with a reputation for the truth … not a notoriety who pops up on a ridiculous post like this one … and claims to know the real truth. There is a Nobel Prize awaiting you if this is true … but you will never get there by ‘publishing’ on rags like this (thread) for sure.

Is there some reason why ‘splitting’ cannot occur … oh never mind … I agree with Hawkins who stated in HIS book “The Blind Watchmaker”, phyletic gradualism is just a ‘straw dog’ for the interrupted equilibrium advocates? You seem to be confusing values and facts. Ramble on till you un-ruffle your own feathers then … seems like you are going to anyway.

Archaeopteryx



What about Linux.... i mean, what about the penguins... it is a bird but it don't fly... well, it fly in water but not in the air !!!

Or the Moa ( extint due to men ) who was a wingless bird...

Ostrich are other bird who don't fly...

On the other hand, bat are good flying mammal... Fish like hatchetfishes of the Amazon can fly... The Ommastrephidae are flying squid... a max of 50 meter jet propelled fly !!!!

Point is that you take for a fact that flying and bird are related... the few example show that not all bird fly and that not only bird can fly !!!



Shorter lifespans !!! Well, some number...

- Neolithic : 20 yo
- Bronze Age and Iron Age : 26 yo
- Classical Greece and classical Rome : 28 yo
- Medieval Islamic Caliphate : 35 yo
- 1200-1300 A.D.: 43 yo
- 1300-1400 A.D.: 24 yo (due to the impact of the Black Death)
- 1400-1500 A.D.: 48 yo
- 1500-1550 A.D.: 50 yo
- Current world average : 67.2 yo

As for cancer, it is somehow funny... a cancer cell is a cell who don't die... yes, they are immortal... they duplicate but have mutated in a way that mechanism for kill the cell don't work anymore...

About humanity being 6000 years old...

In 6400 BC ( 8412 yo )the Halaf culture was created in Lebanon, Israel and Palestine, Syria, Anatolia, and Northern Mesopotamia ... before this, in 9000 BC ( 11012 yo ), the first city ( 2000-3000 people ) called Jericho was created... The oldest settement, 10700 BC ( 12712 yo ) was found near Aleppo, including two temple...

If humanity is only 6000 year old, it mean that it is alien who have build these settlement, these city or these first big culture... or maybe it was ape like in the film "planet of the ape" ???

If you wish to write some BS, best to make some research first... if you have say that humanity was only 15000 year old, it will have be better because there was not real civilization in these time... well, 15000 is not good enough because of some painting ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascaux ) who are +-17k yo...

Some reading : http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter8.html

Ah.... Chariots of the Gods..... the SCIENCE [fiction] answer to GOD.

So THAT'S what this thread is all about.....

Nice, you are all paying attention after all

 

I dropped that crazy number on you to see if you all where reading everything... Good show

Personally, I don't see an exact age that can be calculated, but I do think that humanity is not the millions of years old that some scientist claim.

 

I'll address the individual issues you all bring up in a bit.  Probably later tonight.

Personally, I like this one better, hahaha

Ancient Aliens Season 1 Episode 2(FULL)

I think humanity is claiming to be ~200,000 years old … and claims to be 'modern' for `50,000 years or so ... in its present evolutionary form. I don't know where millions of years comes into the actual picture so what can I say?I read that already ... a real trip through science, huh? There is some truth in there, but it is not obvious or intended.

 

 

The only chariot that i know is from Thor... you know, the friendly naked grey alien with big black eye from Stargate SG1... hey, i think that there is a mod for Soase with these god's chariot... and it is well know that US have kill God at Roswell...