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[v0.43]Babylon 5 - Sins of the Younger Races {Diplomacy1.34} *UPDATE 08.12.2012*

Babylon 5 mod effort for Sins

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This is the story of the last of the Babylon 5 mod-efforts. It's goal, to prevent another failure, by creating a place to solve our problems collaboratively. Its a port of call, home away from home, for modelers, texturers, programmers and sound engineers. 

 

Babylon 5 - Sins of the Younger Races

 
Disclaimer:
The authors are not responsible for any damage that may arise from using this mod. This mod may not be sold under any circumstances. It may be downloaded, bundled with other mods as long as it does not violate the laws of the state/country you live in and this disclaimer is distributed with it. For other used please contact me personally.


Thanks to the TEAM:
2D Artist: SteinerX, Tobias Liebhart (TobiWahn_Kenobi)
Coders: Davroth, EvilTesla-RG, zRazor (Ronie Albesa), Zvezdochets, Rodney Jenkings (HotRod), Rob Cummings (NewHorizons), Tobias Liebhart
Modelers: Fileosoft, Koobalt, Timmaigh, zRazor (Ronie Albesa), Stefan May, Zvezdochets, Tobias Liebhart
Musician: Pauli Valkeejärvi (Hawkwall)
Research: Rodney Jenkins, Darvroth
PR: SteinerX
Texturers: SteinerX, TFL_BigBangTheory, Timmaigh, ZombiesRus5, Tobias Liebhart
Bughunters: Peter1x9, ZombiesRus5, Darvroth, Rob Cummings
Support: Lavo_2, boshimi336

And to
MysticAngel for the Automated Fighter docking ability

Sounds provided by: Zvezdochets

And thanks to all those modelers whose work is a inspiration and a template for creating ingame assets

If I forgot anyone, please contact me so I can give proper credit. (There seem to be so many decent people involved at the moment)

 

Update 0.431 HotFix (Requires 0.43)

https://mega.co.nz/#!sFRnDZCa!Asl6qQ3N-KkqlKnxnq541XWsbARTbGMhLjX3lcK1vdw

http://www.mediafire.com/?bvvbotkoao86uic

http://www.gamefront.com/files/22724745/sotyr_0_431_Update_rar

 

Release 0.43 Full

https://mega.co.nz/#!EIgQVLIR!EwaLA3pCL2z5xAd5fgBmqjHJPWwktwVP5jb5pWee5dM

http://www.gamefront.com/files/22720978/sotyr_0.43_Full.rar

http://www.mediafire.com/file/8djsoefyxvv7fj9/sotyr_0.43_Full.rar

http://www.filedropper.com/sotyr043full

 

Put contents into the gameInfo directory

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put the folder "b5-sotyr"

using winxp
C:\Documents and Settings\'user name'\Local Settings\Application Data\Ironclad Games\Sins of a Solar Empire\Mods-Diplomacy v1.34

using vista/windows 7
C:\Users\'username'\AppData\Local\Ironclad Games\Sins of a Solar Empire\Mods-Diplomacy v1.34

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PreAlpha 0.43 for Sins Diplomacy 1.34

Contents:

Races:
    Minbari
    EA
    Narn
    Centauri
    Shadows
    Vorlon
    
Models:

    General:
        Jumpgate
    
    Minbari:
        Tinashi
        Nial (Tishat)
        Flyer
        Sharlin (Sharkaan, Sharoos)
        Neroon
                
    Earth Alliance:
        Avenger Carrier
        Artemis Frigate
        Hermes Transport
        Omega Destroyer
        Hyperion
        Sagittarius Cruiser
        Starfury Aurora
        Victory Destroyer
        EA Explorer
        Apollo
        Starfury Badger *NEW*
        NOVA Dreadnought *NEW*
        Global Orbital Defense *NEW*
        Poseidon Super Carrier *NEW*
   
    Shadows:
        Ancient Battlecrab
        DeathCloud
        Scout *NEW*
        Young Battlecrab (smaller) *NEW*
        Fighter *NEW*
        Carrier *NEW*

    Narn:
        G'Quan
        BinTak
        Ka'Toc
        Dag'Kar
        Frazi
        Gorith
        
    Centauri:
        Vorchan
        Centurion
        Liati
        
    Vorlon:
        Heavy Cruiser
        Light Cruiser
        
   
Abilities:
    Many added

Starbases:
    Basic Starbases for younger Races ( Military, Jumpgate )
    Jumpgates for EA, Narn, Centauri and Minbari
    
Research:
    EA
    Centauri
    Minbari
    Narn
    Vorlon
    Shadow
    
GUI:
    Fonts
    Intro Music
    Loadscreens
    Intro Videos
    Icons
   
Music:
    Battle music 1, 2
        & 3 *NEW*
    Quiet music 1, 2, 4, 5
   
Sounds:
    Vorchan Ion cannon

 

SOTYR manual
 

If anyone wants to contribute to this mod, please contact me. Any models, sounds, music, textures, abilities and so on are welcomed. I will however keep control of the stats (with input from the most active members/posters).

Home
https://bitbucket.org/TobiWahn_Kenobi/sotyr/wiki/Home

Screenshots
https://bitbucket.org/TobiWahn_Kenobi/sotyr/wiki/Home#!screenshots

Bug reporting over here (you need to be a member of Origo and the team, if you want to do this, please contact me)
https://bitbucket.org/TobiWahn_Kenobi/sotyr/issues?status=new&status=open
 


Old Blog with screenshots and infos maintained by SteinerX can be found here (*OUT OF DATE*)
http://babylon5ins.blogspot.com/

 

Yours TobiWahn_Kenobi

 

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May 6, 2012 9:30:52 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

TobiWahn,

I'd be leary of over linking the techs to each other. I'm still interested to see the corrected links from the last build. Especially vexing is having to research all parts of a multi step tech before being able to move on. In the case of EA the complete vertical linkage is also a pain. I wholeheatedly support the horizontal linkage along the timeline techs but don't much care for the degree of linkage in the 0.422 build. That said it is an incremental process and the forcing function is partly for the AI.

Agree with all other observations.

1) To the extent we know we can correct balance we should (carrier AM beam length you've alread corrected, note sure what else is ready),

2) Agree,

3) Agree,

4) I'm willing to hold off on this to fund time for 1-3 and to allow for more indepth time in the DB,

5) To the extent sure, but otherwise the cubes and SoaSE placeholders work for me.

On a change of subject we really need a 2D artist for the numerous buttons and icons. Honestly the UI is huge, the visual interface is a critical component to displaying the data. Also, the information in the string files is aging but that is a very low priority and will require near continous adjustment anyway as things are added and tweaked.

Darvroth

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May 7, 2012 5:11:55 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting Darvroth,
I'd be leary of over linking the techs to each other. I'm still interested to see the corrected links from the last build. Especially vexing is having to research all parts of a multi step tech before being able to move on. In the case of EA the complete vertical linkage is also a pain. I wholeheatedly support the horizontal linkage along the timeline techs but don't much care for the degree of linkage in the 0.422 build. That said it is an incremental process and the forcing function is partly for the AI.

This is one way to force the AI to at least research a bit of the stuff we put in the research tree. We will evaluate, but the basic structure will remain, though one could make more breaks/strands or require only 1 step per 2 multisteps to be researched.

Quoting Darvroth,
1) To the extent we know we can correct balance we should (carrier AM beam length you've alread corrected, note sure what else is ready),

Many a things still need adjustment, but that we will see when we get there.

Quoting Darvroth,
4) I'm willing to hold off on this to fund time for 1-3 and to allow for more indepth time in the DB,

1 is a overtime process, 2 and 3 need to be done for a good first draft

Quoting Darvroth,
5) To the extent sure, but otherwise the cubes and SoaSE placeholders work for me.

Some might not like them (I do understand) but they minimize error PopUps while debugging A LOT!

Quoting Darvroth,
On a change of subject we really need a 2D artist for the numerous buttons and icons. Honestly the UI is huge, the visual interface is a critical component to displaying the data. Also, the information in the string files is aging but that is a very low priority and will require near continous adjustment anyway as things are added and tweaked.

Yes, I will do the Ship UI Icons, but other than that I do not have much time for 2D UI graphics work. We need another Mod Dev, but as of late we are alone it seems (though I know Thoumsin is still lurking around here and hope that Koobalt, Zvezdochets, SteinerX and Timmaigh still visit from time to time)

String files are easily changed.

 

The mod is now nearly 3 years in the making (with me starting work on the jumpgate on 28th of May 2009) so it will still take an awful lot of time to finish!

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May 7, 2012 9:39:01 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting Darvroth,
On a change of subject we really need a 2D artist for the numerous buttons and icons. Honestly the UI is huge, the visual interface is a critical component to displaying the data.

As long as you're find with cleaning up green backgrounds (Photoshop is really good for this), one can make unit pictures, for use in UI elements, using Sins alone. You don't need a whole artist for that. I'd be happy to expand on this more when I get the time, if you'd like.

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May 7, 2012 12:56:38 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting Lavo_2,
As long as you're find with cleaning up green backgrounds (Photoshop is really good for this), one can make unit pictures, for use in UI elements, using Sins alone. You don't need a whole artist for that. I'd be happy to expand on this more when I get the time, if you'd like.

Its not a problem of getting the Ships pics (I do that in Cin4D) but the rest:

Particle effects (need 2d pics as basis)
User Interface (I don't like the Sins interface that much, and the transparent one I put in there is a very bad hack job)
Ability pictures
Backgrounds for the Research/Diplomacy/Pirate/... Screens
Nice B5 Style Start menu (mine is a bad rushed job) and corresponding submenus (option, Multiplayer, Singleplayer,....)
including all UI elements and so on

this is very much work that should be done by a real good artist (I could do it, but even if I take my time I'm not stellar and I do want to do many other things concerning this mod, so no time either) so we need someone who knows his job well. And really wants to help our mod efforts. If you are up to it I'd gladly welcome you on board

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May 8, 2012 12:13:14 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Lava_2,

Your help would be most appreciated! If I had to prioritize it would have to be tech icons for the steady state effort and ability icons when the abilities are added. I'd love to do the abilities first, but they haven't all be thought of let alone implemented yet... TobiWahn may have a better prioritized list.

TobiWahn,

Vertical breaks in the tech tree are definitely needed and researching the first of a multi part tech should satisfy in every case. Some vertical linkage makes perfect sense, but more than three such links in a row really steals from player choice.

Darvroth

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May 8, 2012 5:21:41 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting Darvroth,
Vertical breaks in the tech tree are definitely needed and researching the first of a multi part tech should satisfy in every case. Some vertical linkage makes perfect sense, but more than three such links in a row really steals from player choice.

it does not really. The vertical links are seperate for each tech tree and you can just ignore one vertical link completely and research the next in the horizontal timeline. But there will be breaks, just not that many. As for the multistep Subjects, I will have a look at all of them, but I probably will not change all of them.

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May 10, 2012 3:19:16 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Much appreciated.

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May 12, 2012 4:36:09 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

TobiWahn,

I've sent several e-mails and a bunch of files in the last two weeks ... are you in receipt?

Darvroth

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May 12, 2012 7:27:33 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

TobiWahn,

Researching what might be needed to improve Stealth Mode I've hit a stumbling block and seek guidance if this is a typo or I'm missing something more fundamental.

ResearchSubject_MINBARI_SENSOR_DEFLECTOR_GRID lists the following values:

modifierType "ShieldMaxMitigationAdjustment"

modifierType "ShieldPointsMaxAdjustment"

However neither term as such can be found in the associated ability, buff, ship or starbase entity files.

The ship entity files use:

MaxShieldPoints

ShieldPointRestoreRate

maxMitigation

The starbase entity and upgrade files use:

propertyType "MaxShieldMitigation"

propertyType "MaxShieldPoints"

propertyType "ShieldPointRestoreRate"

The player entity files also do not mention the terms as such. I can only conlude that the ResearchSubject entity file is in error and uses the wrong terms to modify adjust the ship entity files. If this is not the case and the ResearchSubject entity file is correct help me with the linkage.

Darvroth

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May 12, 2012 8:02:05 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

The verbage is consistent with that found in SoaSE entity files... I still clearly have more to learn. Also to clarify: 0.05 = 5% adjustment and 0.01 = 1% adjustment? A base value change is additive across the board, or is it also a percentage increase? I guess I could play with the values but that will be time consuming and perhaps hard to measure. Fellow modders, the answer is...?

Darvroth

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May 12, 2012 8:19:06 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

If you're doing research files,  0.05 is a 5% adjustment and 0.01 is a 1% adjustment.  And increases being additive depends on what research you're modifying.  Some things like shield mitigation are a flat boost (since shield mitigation is already a percentage), while most other researches are percentage-based.

And yes, research subjects use different wordage for their effects than ability and ship .entity files.

EDIT: Check out the research float (percentage) and boolean (1 or 0) modifiers from Original Sins here.

Be sure to have actually played Sins a couple times so you can guess what modifiers are percentages and what are flat (like armor).

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May 12, 2012 10:55:21 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

SpardaSon21,

Thanks, played SoaSE for years but have been a serious modder for a little over a year now and have only been diving deep into abilities for about 6-7 months. Some things are maddenly difficult to set up.

Darvroth

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May 17, 2012 6:27:35 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Hi,

Sorry for my absence. Migraine as well as private life and work have kept me much too busy. I've cleaned up my database and exchanged the commandline calls with java calls, added the ability to add base Strings and entities to the exported entity.manifest and english.str and also started to add structures for buffs and abilities. Buffs are about 55 percent finished, abilities about 7 percent. When they are in I will add all existing abilities in the DB. After that I will link all the necessary research subjects to the respective techs (for Vorlons and Shadows) and then it will be time to package another release.

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May 17, 2012 6:44:02 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

@Davroth

Added you to the coders section in the header

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May 18, 2012 12:43:14 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Woot! You have been busy and I like the packaging plan for 0.43. I was going to send you another abilty but decided to test it one last time and it immediately mini-dumped. So now I'm trying to figure out why it did work and now doesn't work and how I can make it work again. Very frustrating at times.

Darvroth

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May 18, 2012 7:43:04 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Yes, abilities do frustrate me as well. We had a lot of abilities in a 0.3x build I think but always had minidumps. So now we need to go slowly, bit by bit.

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May 19, 2012 2:16:24 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Found it! Ability works like a charm. Sent via e-mail.

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May 19, 2012 8:41:44 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

It's probably fairly low priority for the B5Sotyr team, but here's some more Minbari capital ship names.

Diff is from 0.422's English.str:

2c2
< NumStrings 8844
---
> NumStrings 8850
23180c23180
<       Value "Trugati"
---
>       Value "Trigati"
23183a23184,23201
> StringInfo
>       ID "IDS_CAPITALSHIPNAME_MINBARI02"
>       Value "Valen'Tha"
> StringInfo
>       ID "IDS_CAPITALSHIPNAME_MINBARI03"
>       Value "Ingata"
> StringInfo
>       ID "IDS_CAPITALSHIPNAME_MINBARI04"
>       Value "Takari"
> StringInfo
>       ID "IDS_CAPITALSHIPNAME_MINBARI05"
>       Value "Enfili"
> StringInfo
>       ID "IDS_CAPITALSHIPNAME_MINBARI06"
>       Value "Dogato"
> StringInfo
>       ID "IDS_CAPITALSHIPNAME_MINBARI07"
>       Value "Drala Fi"

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May 19, 2012 6:45:58 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

NewHorizons,

Every bit of help is appreciated.

If you have other easily plugged in ideas for the string file, or abilities, post. I'm slowly adding ship and structure abilities but a new stream of ideas is always appreciated.

Darvroth

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May 20, 2012 5:28:50 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Darvroth,

Thanks, I added the extra names when I had the intent of max'ing out my capital ship supply of 30+ Sharlins/Sharkaans/ Sharoos.

I think I'll stick to stings and steer clear of suggesting abilities - they sound tricky to implement.

Some time ago (p119) there was a discussion of increasing the weaponry on higher capital ship levels, however most the B5SotYRs models don't appear to have weapons on the rear.

The Sharlin model certainly has the detail, but the Omega does appear to be missing them - 2 X-ray lasers mounted out-board of, and parallel to, the main engines - Eg opening scene of Severed Dreams.

I was thinking that as a capital ship levels up, these extra weapon banks could be unlocked, is that possible?

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May 20, 2012 9:09:15 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting NewHorizons,
It's probably fairly low priority for the B5Sotyr team, but here's some more Minbari capital ship names.

Many thanks, added (corrected) the names.

Quoting NewHorizons,
Some time ago (p119) there was a discussion of increasing the weaponry on higher capital ship levels, however most the B5SotYRs models don't appear to have weapons on the rear.

This was a design decision. Won't easily be changed. Not in the near future anyhow.

Quoting NewHorizons,
I was thinking that as a capital ship levels up, these extra weapon banks could be unlocked, is that possible?

Not possible, sorry. Starbases have this possibility but Capships don't. I'd love to have that but it is not supported by the engine.

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May 20, 2012 11:11:52 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

What is supported though is, unlocking weapons with research:

     fireConstraintType "Research"
        researchPrerequisites
            NumResearchPrerequisites 1
            ResearchPrerequisite
                Subject "<Research_Subject>"
                Level 1

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May 20, 2012 1:00:34 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting -Norbert-,
What is supported though is, unlocking weapons with research:

fireConstraintType "Research"
researchPrerequisites
NumResearchPrerequisites 1
ResearchPrerequisite
Subject ""
Level 1

Thanks, didn't know that was possible!

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May 20, 2012 1:59:57 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting -Norbert-,
What is supported though is, unlocking weapons with research:

fireConstraintType "Research"
researchPrerequisites
NumResearchPrerequisites 1
ResearchPrerequisite
Subject ""
Level 1

 

^ This allows you to do cool things! Just think of the upgrades due to capital ship levels as ... re-fits.

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May 20, 2012 4:53:19 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

boshimi336,

Not just weapons, the tech could implement a number of changes (cost, metal, crystal, etc) to account for the new capability. Initial ships would be cheaper and nerfed, later ships would be more capable but cost more. Those already built would benefit from the upgrade for "free", really the cost of the research having paid for the upgrades. This would also go along with the younger races having more and more easily replaced ships while the older races have fewer but much more valuable ships.

This would make for a clearer seperation of the time lines with respect to tech and ship capabilities but would require a complete rework of the tech tree and many models for all races (hardpoints).

Question: Is the researchable weapons for ships an on/off or is there finer control to tweak existing weapon stats?

 

TobiWahn,

Since we already have 0.43 already planned out, recommend we continue along that path. Implement the new research where it aligns with the current effort but save a more comprehensive reworking till 0.44. Not only will this require tweaking research but the tech pathing, and in many cases model rework to fix the hard points. Also, we'd need to scope out the work and have a blueprint, better to save the effort for down the road, unless there is a willing party... 0.43 is already ambitious enough.

Darvroth

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