Building abilities usualy fade when labs are gone tho. Repair bays don't repair anymore superweapons won't fire anymore. I'm surprised RA still works.

And for RA I freagin hate RA. You can bring numbers but that's it you can't realy do much of composing a fleet since you let it be decided random so you might have like 30 percent ships you don't really want in you're fleet... Meh...

Grtz,
Flipkik

yup, but when you're getting a ton of hc's every cycle (or constantly if you stagger it on different phase stabilizers) building support ships matters little. What is most annoying is when RA spams carriers at you...

RA and repulse are like a dysfunctional family, repulse lets you kill ships forever and RA lets you produce ships forever, a stalemate you might say... but nope... read your bible, repulse wins

Flipkik, No, repair DO still repair after the lab requirement is gone.  You just can't build anymore.  But yeah, superweapons won't fire. 

I think automatic features continue to work, while those that require user input don't.  For example, you can no longer order new ships, after that research has been lost, but the ships still work.

And the second level of RA IS actually a significant discount.  I've heard about a 40% discount.  But the biggest savings that people forget about is:  you get high tech ships like HC's, (or Carriers) even if you don't do the research for them.  Unfortunately, you don't get Overseers or Subverters.

Valkya, RA has been this way for as long as I remember.  There are a few other useful Techs that you can also get, then scuttle the "extra" labs, and still use the Tech.  Like Pervasive Economy for TEC, under the civil tree (tier 8).

While in theory it may work as an explanation, in practice it doesn't work as balance.

Hm just tested it and you're right. Did this change some time ago? Cause I still remember repair bays not working for some reason they where not disabled. Bah must've been dreaming.

Yeah, now you have to pay, each time (the old version was free - before the nerf). 

But make sure you have lots of fleet slots open.  Because if you don't, it will only fill what it can, but still charge the same amount, and rip you off!  I learned this the hard way!  (Easy mistake to make, if you have auto activate on).

You can't really rely on it, as vasari you need to have pretty much won the game by this point (especially against advent) or you are doomed

really RA is an awsome ability. Now before you argue with me ive used it in a couple of games and i just rolled over everyone. One game was a 1v1 i lost 1000 + fleet supply from a suicide SB and 10 mins later i had it all back.

The other was a ffa i allied myself with everyone and went econ then as i hoped it ended up as me and bsc (Black Sword Command) vs 3 others. I got RA and with the extra fleet supply research i had 2300 fleet supply. I took out the combined fleets of all 3 of my enemies,(1 vasari,1TEC and 1 advent who did spam repulse)

My 120 bomber squads took out caps in 2 passes or less. Now really as vasari it is not viable in a real game unless you are econ because you need enormous amounts of money to get it up and to upgrade fleet supply.

One other game was a long time ago it was a bia + plus me vs DT i was an econ but had a messed up posiotion with only 6 planets, i got an econ got RA and with only 6 planets i had 1 for fleet, i had a larger fleet than someone who had 40 HCs and other assorted ships.

RA may not be the Uber ability that it was previously but it is an extremely deadly late game ability as it was designed to be. The only problem is most MP games do not get to late game so vasari rarely even get the oppourtunity to use it.

_|~Uber

Pre-nerf, it was worse than repulse is now.

Post-nerf (today) it is still useful, but only situationally. This is how it should be IMO, since phase gates are already a huge advantage.