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questions on Envoy Cruisers

September 28, 2009 12:47:12 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire ForumsSins of a Solar Empire Forums

1)are a diplomatic type cruiser? If not what is their purpose (new war ship?).

2) are they targetable or do they have diplomatic immunity and can tamper/weaken the enemy?

3)If they cant be targetable than it would be interesting to try to counter their effects with your own Envoy or something, like fighting hostile culture with your own.

Im just guessing, so i could be way off here.

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Reply #1 September 28, 2009 1:38:22 AM
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1) yes

2) they have diplomatic immunity, but at this point we don't know whtat the limitations of that are.

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Reply #2 September 28, 2009 8:41:13 AM
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Usually with space faring spies use their flagships when dealing with enemies...

I mean if you look at star trek...all of the Enterprises had been flagships of both Terran fleet and Starfleet. But then of course you have Voyager, the un-offical flagship of the federation in the delta quad (but I am rambling)

Instead of a using a crusier, make it a cap ships or something like that...

 

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Reply #3 September 28, 2009 1:09:57 PM
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basicly, if you havent gotten it yet, the answer the other posters are: "We dont know"

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Reply #4 September 28, 2009 3:10:38 PM
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Normally it's not wise to send the capital ship that killed countless of their soldiers to negotiate peace

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Reply #5 September 28, 2009 3:10:42 PM
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Actually there is official info around here somewhere that says:

- Envoy cruisers will have diplomatic immunity as they travel.
- Envoy cruisers can make planets revolt or be used offensively in some way, but they lose their diplomatic immunity if they do so.

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Reply #6 September 28, 2009 3:39:34 PM
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I hope they're suitably impressive looking units. You don't send your Secretary of state to negotiate a treaty in a VW bug! (Nothing agaisnt VW bugs, they're fine cars, but they ain't Limos).

Envoy cruisers should be capable ships outside of their special abilities, just expensive to build so you don't load your fleets with them. I would like them to be just a step down from Capital ships in terms of size and combat capability.

And you do send your capital ships to negotiate treaties in the real world, at least historically. If it's to a nation that you just won a war against, then it's to reinforce that fact, and if it's to a nation that you're allying with, then it's to impress them with your value as an ally. Historical actions by ships isn't typically a major concern, as it's the commander of such ships that bear the glory or infamy of it's actions in most cases.

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Reply #7 September 29, 2009 12:07:53 AM
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I partially agree; envoy cruisers should be just a tiny step down from capital ships...in terms of cost and supply use only. As for combat capability, to further the analogy, you don't put uzis and a machine gun on that ambassador's limo.

The flagship comment is a fair one. Potential allies would be impressed by the sight of a a mighty Space Egg. Potential enemies mght be more willing to cooperate when they're staring down the barrels of a Marza's seige cannon.

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Reply #8 September 29, 2009 6:56:15 AM
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Potential enemies mght be more willing to cooperate when they're staring down the barrels of a Marza's seige cannon.
That's a very short-term way of ensuring cooperation.

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Reply #9 September 29, 2009 11:36:12 AM
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Quoting N3rull,
reply 8

Potential enemies mght be more willing to cooperate when they're staring down the barrels of a Marza's seige cannon.That's a very short-term way of ensuring cooperation.

Because you're going to blow them up anyway?

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Reply #10 September 29, 2009 3:05:16 PM
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Quoting N3rull,
reply 8
That's a very short-term way of ensuring cooperation.

Indeed it is. Is that the sweet smell of strategy my nostrils detect?

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Reply #11 September 30, 2009 2:44:24 PM
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Quoting N3rull,
reply 8
That's a very short-term way of ensuring cooperation.

Hehe, tell it to our nuclear arsenal bro

M.A.D. - keeping the peace (well, mostly) since the 1960's.

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Reply #12 September 30, 2009 8:21:24 PM
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Quoting Will the Great,
reply 7
I partially agree; envoy cruisers should be just a tiny step down from capital ships...in terms of cost and supply use only. As for combat capability, to further the analogy, you don't put uzis and a machine gun on that ambassador's limo.

The flagship comment is a fair one. Potential allies would be impressed by the sight of a a mighty Space Egg. Potential enemies mght be more willing to cooperate when they're staring down the barrels of a Marza's seige cannon.

 

Yes but they have to have a suitable bodyguard don't they

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Reply #13 October 1, 2009 6:32:46 PM
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Quite true. Are you suggesting strike craft, or a sizable fleet escort?

 

Quoting Itharus,
reply 11

Hehe, tell it to our nuclear arsenal bro

M.A.D. - keeping the peace (well, mostly) since the 1960's.

...no comment.

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Reply #14 October 1, 2009 6:52:17 PM
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I think the Envoy Cruiser has to have some kindof defenses. Ima go ahead and guess the Pirates dont give a ratass if your a Cap or a Envoy Cruiser, its a target, As well if it can lose it immunity, obviously its gonna need to protect its ass while it tries to jump out of enemy space.

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Reply #15 October 1, 2009 8:34:04 PM
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Cloaking?

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Reply #16 October 2, 2009 11:25:01 AM
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Envoy Cruisers, I would love to think that the idea of a diplomatic shuttle was my idea I did post few times about a new frigate that has diplomatic immunity and can help find artifacts, or ensure that militia don't put up as strong a fight when getting colonized But I am not sure if it will have powers over the militia, or any aiblities related to finding artifacts or bonuses

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Reply #17 October 3, 2009 12:19:12 AM
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this may be a way to solve the cloaking problem everyone seems to have been having in their mods. To give a ship some of the envoy immunity abilities while still maintaining cloak. Then cloak disengages when they fire.

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Reply #18 October 3, 2009 2:34:01 AM
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Quoting Astax,
reply 16
Envoy Cruisers, I would love to think that the idea of a diplomatic shuttle was my idea

 

Uh-huh. And I'd like a space pony.

 

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Reply #19 October 3, 2009 2:52:01 AM
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https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/345391/page/3/#64 I dont make stuff up dude

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Reply #20 October 3, 2009 3:42:39 AM
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Just a friendly ribbing.

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