How about a free starbase on your homeplanet at the beginning of the game?

Um, you mean thats not what happens already?

Personally, I'm a little disappointed in the direction sins is heading with the new faster setting. The whole reason I liked sins is because it was a slightly slower paced game. By that I mean if you selected all fast and no quickstart, the game fleshed out probably in the range of 30 min to 4 hours, depending on how good a match it was.

Now the game is all about speed speed speed, fleet fleet fleet, rush rush rush. Little disheartening for me honestly.

I want to beat you because I understand how to expand, colonize, economize, and militarize all at the same time BETTER than you. And you know what? I did at one point. But then came  quickstart. WHICH I HATE. And now comes this newer faster setting. This isn't why people were drawn to sins. At least that's not what I think drew people to sins. I certainly can say that for myself, and considering this game was played up as a 4X game, I would think that the majority of people who originally were drawn to the game understood it was going to be a game of epic long lasting battles.

The sad thing is I'm in a very distinct minority of online players who feels this way. I like no quick start because it forces you to scout and plan ahead for how you're going to play the map instead of mindlessly rush. I don't like what this faster setting is going to do because it's going to make larger fleets EVEN quicker and earlier than before.

Perhaps I'm just being negative.  Perhaps this could flesh out to be a good idea and pan out well for the online scene. I won't judge it until I see it in action. My gut tells me, however, that I'm not gonna like it, but one can hope.

Pretty much. I'm bummed that the game has become "who can click faster" but c'est la vie. People don't like having to think and strategize nowadays...

i kind of agree, but, i think the truly great players are startegizing on the fly as well as moving at a quick pace, which makes them a force to be reckoned with.  You have to realize in this game you can't follow a single strategy, but rather keep trying multiple ones in different situations.  I've noticed you're a relatively new player in the community, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask, [DT]Star Player

Now, I find that a vain simplification.  No RTS has simply been about the fastest clicker.  I often give advice to players on micro, and this is rule #1:  It's not the number of clicks, it's how you use them.  Good micromanagement isn't about spamming clicks; in fact, spamming clicks isn't even useful.  Instead it's what you manage to achieve with those clicks, which requires intelligence and planning (read: strategy). 

That's because the game speed didn't become any faster.  Build speed, income speed, culture spread rate, these were what increased.  That may speed up the early pace of the game, and the size of the late game armies, but it doesn't actually make battles more frantic.

AoE is alot less clicking if you use the shift key.

the inablity to que more than 15 units is, annoying... and the forced "you must go to each barracks and que each barracks individually" is annoying as well...

but... AoE... i dont know... (hollyshizznts have you seen starcraft replays??) maybe the people i play agaisnt just suck.

haha.. korean pro league=nuts.

i used to play starcraft, was fun, getting up to like 180 APM (actions per minute).

Yeah... don't even go there.

Actually, while Starcraft is usually quite frantically paced, you can pull things off with ~60-80 APM no problems.  So long as you manage your bases relatively well you can get away with nominal micro.  However, you have to use your time very efficiently and keep a steady pace.  You won't be anywhere near pro, or even the higher level players for that matter, but you can be quite respectable this way.

But after playing sins on multi player, No matter how improved the single player becomes. It doesnt make me want to play in single player. So me too, am quite disappointed.

I played the diplomacy beta and so far it would be useless for me. Since i dont do much civilian research anyway.

Not diplomacy but...

Are your own mines visible(show as icon) on opponent nations? cause i don't think it should show as an icon to enemies. (should be just graphic only)

Also i wish the ships had an movement option to move slowly backwards or something... So I can order then to shoot as they retreat backwards, and luring the enemy fleet, or something like that. But i think it might screw up the game.

You know, the funny thing about Entrenchment is that even though we all play Entrenchment online and prefer it to Regular Sins, you really don't see all that many starbased being built in online multiplayer, especially by non-Vasari players.  You don't see mines being deployed nor the long-range torpedo ships either.  The only thing Entrenchment really adds is Quick Start and the possibility of having starbases.  Perhaps Diplomacy would play out the same way online--people might do a little bit of the extra research or make a diplomacy ship or two and would probably most use the 25% faster speed.

I do like Entrenchment, but overall I'm skeptical as to whether or not the expansions are actually adding that much for the online game.

As for mines, yeah, not much use in MP. I do however see starbases a lot. And you're right theyre mostly vasari (bout the only good thing theyve got going for them ATM IMO), but I do see transcencias at least once a day and Argonevs on occasion. I think they added a lot to the game, specifically being able to defend your HW while you're away, and while they aren't hugely reliable, they are much more so than the old defensive methods.