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Basic Ship Counters

which type are good against others?

There was some questions about counters. Basically it goes:

LRF > LF > Carriers (fighters) > LRF again. Thats the basic triangle.

Its pretty obvious that LRFs (Long Range Frigates: Javelis LRMs, Illums, Assailants) are good against LFs (Light Frigates: Cobalts, Disciples, Skirmishers), and that LF are good against Carrriers, etc.. The following is a more complex expansion:

                                                             > LRF
                          >    Flak     > (fighters) > Scouts
Scouts > LRF > LF > Carriers           |
                           >  Support          v
                                              (bombers) > HC's
                                                              > Structures (& SBs)
                                                              > Cap Ships

LFs are good against Flak, Carriers and all of the higher tech Support (repair/disable) ships. Carrier fighters are good against bombers, as well as LRF and Scouts. Carrier bombers excel at HC (Heavy Cruisers), planet Structures and Capital ships.

Here are the old links: Colored Damage Chart
Zyrxil's Damage Types

Also see change logs, since links are outdated.

Edit: added arrows to clarify multiple counters from a single ship.

Updated Diplomacy Damage Types

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I don't like how the game has scouts as "good vs none" but it is used as a counter to Long range frigates.

I think scouts need to spawn with auto attack enabled lol

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@ Shunmaha, you can look at some of my threads to see my view on this. Basically, Scouts being able to defeaut LRF is a major oversight on the developers' part but since it 'fixes' the LRF balance problem (which for some unfathomable reason the developers STILL haven't fixed), many people are happy with the Scout imbalance.

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This is a major necro.

So many question on counters recently! So I am going to bump my old post.
Hopefully the spacing is consistant for all, and it all lines up correctly.

SithLordAJ's spreadsheet was created after this original thread, and it includes more uptodate information:
(although I don't like it's confusing counter's flowchart by VoltC, and believe that portion is incorrect).

Advent	Armor Class	Attack Type	Damage Modifer vs Armor Type
Ship Type	Armor Class	Attack Type	V.Light	Light	Medium	Heavy	V.Heavy	CapShip	Pirate	Module
AntiFighter	Heavy	Antiverylight	133%	75%	50%	50%	50%	50%	25%	35%
Fighter	VeryLight	Antilight	100%	200%	50%	50%	50%	50%	50%	35%
Colony	Light	Antilight	100%	200%	50%	50%	50%	50%	50%	35%
Scout	Light	Antilight	100%	200%	50%	50%	50%	50%	50%	35%
Long	Light	Antimedium	100%	100%	133%	75%	75%	75%	65%	50%
Siege	Light	Antiheavy	100%	75%	100%	150%	50%	50%	60%	50%
Light	Medium	Antiheavy	100%	75%	100%	150%	50%	50%	60%	50%
Utility0	Heavy	Antiheavy	100%	75%	100%	150%	50%	50%	60%	50%
Bomber	Light	Antiveryheavy	50%	50%	50%	50%	100%	75%	50%	65%
Heavy	VeryHeavy	Composite	100%	150%	125%	100%	100%	75%	120%	75%
Capital	CapitalShip	Capitalship	25%	75%	100%	100%	100%	100%	90%	75%
CapitalAbility		CapitalAbility	100%	100%	100%	100%	100%	75%	75%	100%
AntiModule	Light	Antimodule	25%	25%	50%	75%	100%	100%	30%	200%
VasariStarbase	Module	Antiheavy	100%	75%	100%	150%	50%	50%	60%	50%
		Antimodule	25%	25%	50%	75%	100%	100%	30%	200%
		Capitalship	25%	75%	100%	100%	100%	100%	90%	75%
AdventStarbase	Module	Capitalship	25%	75%	100%	100%	100%	100%	90%	75%
TECStarbase	Module	Capitalship	25%	75%	100%	100%	100%	100%	90%	75%
MineSquadron	VeryLight
Envoy	Light
RefineryShip	Light
Constructor	Light
TradeShip	Light
MineLayer	Heavy
Carrier	Heavy
StarbaseConstr.	Heavy
Mine	Module

Edit: There is one change to this chart (and SithLordAJ's) introduced in the 1.12 patch (on 5/24/11), Bomber damage to CapShip was changed to 60% from 75%.

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