Do you even fish? If not, why am I bothering with you?
Since you can't seem to accept regulations being made in administrative actions funded by the SFR based on millions in research funded by the SFR as being regulation funded by the SFR, my fishing probably doesn't count as fishing either. After all, I don't fish for sport, it's fucking boring. I just like frying the little fuckers up five minutes after I gut them. You might call it subsistance instead, which obviously wouldn't still be fishing!
I guess I will just let you live in your little bubble. And if you don't believe that sport fishing in America isn't better off today than it was decades ago, then you don't have a clue about fishing.
The salmon industry in Alaska is doing great! I can't say so much for the other two states though. They're still as boned as they were in the seventies because they haven't done shit to rebuild the populations and manage harvests. Sport fishing a non-commercial fish in a lake or river where no one besides sport fishermen would give a fuck to bother with? Yeah, that's better than it was thirty years ago.
Your other points aside for right now, this one strikes me as the most annoying.
I find this statement equally annoying. If this is the most annoying thing I've said, you're so fucked in the head I'd have nightmares just from meeting you.
Firstly, what has the political left been doing for the past decade if not being a government watchdog? You can argue how the Patriot Act and the government wiretapping are "socialist" or "liberal" things to do, but the fact is that these liberals and socialists are the only major voices screaming shrilly about the expansion of presidential power during the last administration... and whatever anyone else might say, we're disappointed that Obama has essentially maintained them.
Is this a joke? Lets just pretend that Bush was a conservative(I'll try not to die laughing in the process) and the "liberals" have been fighting his expansionist government. What the fuck have they been doing for the three years they've had control? Oh right, they've been expanding government at an even faster rate than before...
They spent six years bitching about those evil war mongering republicans spending us into oblivion, muttering on and on about how disastrous tha patriot act was, etcetera etcetera. It was all bullshit, they just got through wasting over a year with a super majority. They could have repealed the patriot act any time they wanted to. Instead, they took us from 10% deficit spending to 40% deficit spending. Don't give me shit about it being a recession either. Spending has grown by well over a trillion since they took over the budget process.
Those crazy libertarians are the only ones that actually give a shit about the patriot act, the democrats in office fucking love that shit as long as they're the ones getting to use it.
You say that government is dangerous. No argument there, just like anything with power and influence has the potential to be dangerous. That's why the political left and some on the right watch the government ensuring that it gives due process and doesn't curtail civil liberties. So yep.
And the solution you offer is oversight, which is exactly what I'm suggesting.
The political left and some on the right... I wish I could be this oblivious to anything not in agreement with me. Are the libertarians the left now or what? There are far more libertarians than left wingers bitching about the patriot act, always have been. The libertarians are pretty much the only ones bitching about all the other shit the feds shouldn't have their fingers in. Who on the left still is? Code Pink? Our dear leader sure as hell isn't trying to do anything about it.
Oversight of a colossal fuckup of an organization writing thousand page bills is impossible. The CBO can't even prove shit when they come out with a review, whoever they're smoking out with the reality check just says it's wrong and they forgot to account for this and that. They pass their fantastic pile of steaming fecies and call it a day regardless. You don't have the sixty hours a week it takes to actually learn the shit they're doing to you. I've tried, it took me a week just to figure out how hosed we were on cattle if the Cap and Trade bill went through.
Secondly, if the government is completely unreliable and, basically, inherently evil, why would you even rely on it to enforce the laws? You can't pick "option C" with an inherently evil and completely unreliable force... that'd be bowing down to evil and chaos. You mean that the police wouldn't put a cigarette in your eye? It's clear during this thread you've never said what you actually mean.
Somehow I'm just not seeing it. From now on I'll pretend clonmac is right. The SFR is a shining beacon of properly applied funding, as opposed to being bullshit applied to boating safety, nature education seminars, swamp preservation, etcetera, rarely even applied to the single most destructive force towards sport fishermen that there is, commercial fishermen. I'll also pretend it's not a direct violation of the Constitution by being not being an enumerated power, the only things the Federal Government are allowed to do.
Is reliable really something you can apply to an entity that fucks up 90% of the time? Really now, what have the Feds done right in the last decade? I guess maybe if you were trying to engineer the end of civlization, we've had a fucking fantastic century. We created a massive, self guided entity with total control over our economic stability, built in crippling tax burdens on future generations to pay the living expenses of the previous, drove health care costs through the roof by providing an artificially high market for them, killed our industrial by trying to protect it while giving the unions supremacy of power...
You probably don't let the little stuff bug you though, it's not like they really caused all that shit. That's just republican propaganda, never mind them being the cause of half of it. The current rate of expansion in Medicare for instance, Bush fucked us with that little problem by paying for everyones drugs. Just remember, paying for preventative care was going to save us billions!
You could have said, "the government is unreliable". You could have said "the government is the source of a lot of evils." Those would have been much more difficult to argue against. Hell, you could have just said, "the government should stay the fuck away from the economy" which I think actually reflects your position. Instead, you've gone for the straw-man point of the government being "evil" by it's nature and completely unreliable.That made things really easy for me.
It's funny how you put that. I particularly love how necessary evil turns into inherently evil so you can come up with something to say. Shit I've already said as follows:
"Government is dangerous, for any potential benefit you can point to, there are thousands of potential drawbacks, and the benefit wont be there forever."
"Ahh, the fallback crutch of the liberal idiot. Somehow, law itself magically disappears if you get the fuck out of business. How does not regulating a particular industry unfairly lead you to believe your local corporation can take over the world? Do the laws that apply to individuals magically vanish as soon as one forms a company? Extortion is illegal, bribery is illegal, coercion is illegal. Congratulations, you just stopped Standard Oil from becoming a monopoly without Anti-trust laws by, of all things, enforcing laws that already existed and had nothing to do with it!"
Previously quoting Madison: "If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions."
A favorite saying for you liberal hippies is power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Shouldn't you maybe apply it to Uncle too? They ban safe products. They tell you how to build, where to build, what to build, who you can pay to build it. They mandate thousands upon thousands of things that the typical person will never notice, but pays through the nose for in costs passed down through business. They've built the lawyer industry up to a titanic entity that is currently impervious to any restrictive legislation as it has most of congress bought and paid for.
Are you even aware of the excess legal overhead on our economy? Stripping the trial lawyers of all the bullshit they've worked into the system would turn around this recession faster than you could see it. There are a few million six figure salaries in this country dealing with their own red tape that would disappear overnight and go back into things that actually produce something.
Also, I fucked up a lot of quote boxes on the last page, stupidity is a terrible disease.
As much as you'd like to ignore them, there are really good government programs and there are really awful one. When I lived in Spain the government subsidized Madrid metro beat the shit out of any other metro, in America and probably in the world. It was reliable and it was constantly expanding according to public need. On the other hand, EU's agriculture price fixing is a huge waste of food.
I'd be more worried by the minor details. You know, like the EU being where we're at now on a good year? Only when compared to a collective economic disaster could the fucking Dollar be strengthening on the same day we get a vote to add $1.9 trillion to the debt ceiling so we can pass our $3.8 trillion dollar budget and take the path of economic suicide.
Thing is, you've set it up so if I can point out that any government program in fact works, I've alreadly defeated your argument of the government being completely unreliable.
Where do you guys come up with this shit? I'm serious. How does this at all make sense to you? If you buy a car, and the power windows are the only thing working, does that mean the car is reliable? If everything but the engine works great, would the car be reliable? Maybe it's just the fucking transmission that's broken...
How can a government be reliable because a few minor programs are working as the collective fuckup reams out your ass every day? They wouldn't even consider the SFR program real money, it's less than one forty thousandth of the budget. So sure, we've got pocket change functioning beautifully as they blow two trillion dollars on expanded costs that didn't exist just ten years ago. It fucking doubled in ten fucking years, half of that just in three. Catastrophic fuckup with no redeeming qualities might be slight overkill. Calling it completely unreliable is fucking generous of me.
You find as many beneficial programs as you want too, just remember to lube your ass first.
But that isn't the point. My point is that you should say what you actually mean rather than to weaken your own argument by making stupid absolutist statements you can't defend.
It's good that it wasn't the point, since there wasn't one. Water is wet.
I'm constantly floored by how some libertarians can spout that kind of rhetoric and still think they are somehow "moderate".
Lets see... Just because libertarians eat babies doesn't mean they aren't moderate.
Someone quote that line and attribute it as something dipshit said for me. I don't think he'll figure it out, but it's just too entertaining to clear this up.
Libertarians have about as much credibility as socialists (and by socialist, I mean the REAL meaning of the word, not the American bastardisation which is thrown around willy-nilly at anyone left of Reagan).
Agreed, Ron Paul is a fucking nut for instance. I'd still love to have 49 of him in the Senate though. No one else but a crazed libertarian would let him do anything crazy, but he'd stop any more crazy shit from happening and force us back to a reasonable level just by blocking the budget from increasing.
At the risk of ruining my entertainment, I'm a constructionist. States can do whatever the fuck they want to as long as they don't violate constitutional guarantees of peoples rights. The Feds on the other hand are limited to shit actually assigned to them. If you don't like it, amend it.