I will now attempt to make the biggest post in the history of the Chatroom. Those of you who are too lazy to read long posts, run for your lives now. Those who usually read long posts, prepare yourselves, this will be HUGE!
TL;DR?? I dont care, nope.
Oatesy's reply #1610:
Theoretically, in a serious wartime situation, the TA would be called up in its entirety, and would provide back-up for the regulars. There are also TA special forces, and a TA for everything in fact, so it's basically a back-up military in case some disaster occurs, or the regulars are tied up somewhere.
And whats the back up for the back-ups? Who backs up the TA? 
Just kidding... 
But that said, I might just (outside chance) be able to meet up with her today. If I'm lucky.
Let us know how that went, if it happens.
There's this one guy I know who has recently become unbearably unlikeable. Basically, girls can join our school in the sixth form, and I've never really seen this person in the presence of girls before. But now, it becomes completely clear that everything he does revolves around getting his pecker into the nearest available free space.
Thing is, being the type of bloke he is, he tries to go for the sensible girls, not realising that they aren't interested. He just thinks that they're not jumping onto the nearest available boy because they're being ignored, whereas in fact it's because they can have a normal friendship with a member of the opposite gender without thinking about sex, a skill he seems to lack. It literally borders on sexual harassment.
My friends are much worse than that, and its pretty standard here.
Its that whole notion of society, which says that the more girls you sleep with in your life, the better your social status as well as state of happiness you are in, for the guys. And same goes for girls, but on a lower scale, maybe.
Just to give a minor example of the way these people think:
I was hanging out with a friend of mine at his place, who invited 3 of his other friends (I barely know them), so we can all hang out and chat. So these 2 guys I dont know (my friend's pals), were talking about girls they know, and which girls are easy to get in bed with, and which ones they arent. Cause thats all they think you know. Anyway, the subject turned to a specific girl who is well-known to not sleep with anybody, and how much they have tried to get her to do that, each one of the 3 guys there. So 1 of them asks the other guy, "why is that? Does she have a low self-esteem?" The other says: "No. She actually has a very high self-esteem, she appreciates herself quite a lot". 1st guy says: "What the hell! This is so weird. Why would she not sleep with lots of guys if she has a really high self-esteem? It doesnt make any sense. She should sleep with just about anyone who is willing to do it." Second guy "I have no idea. Like you said, its really weird, she must have some psychological problems, or child trauma, something like that."
LOL, they actually thought that high self-esteem = sleep with anybody, and low self-esteem, the exact opposite.
How pathetic are they? Not only they just want to "get their peckers into the nearest available free space", like you said, not only they think its an accomplishment to do just that, they also have no idea how normal people's minds work, because their brains are definitely, without a doubt damaged. Brain damage, thats the only way I can explain it.
She's writing a new song at the moment, which she says I'll be the first to hear. Apparantly it's "more suited to our situation than Heal." She's making me feel like it's written for me!
And good good. Now I can say that I have earned her song international acclaim!
Looking forward to that song!
Also, I really think she needs to get noticed more, and maybe collaborate with people who have professional recording equipment, because I'm pretty sure her recordings are amateur, and she is that good. Imagine what she could do in a recording studio! That voice could do wonders, trust me I know a talent when I see one 
And, writing that song for you? That should mean something, for sure.
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Whiskey's reply #1611:
As in, among others, the Catholic belief that you should "pray to Mary" if you really want something because "she's more forgiving/loving", and Christ would listen to her as she was His earthly mother.............
Weirdest thing I've ever heard about Catholics, so far 
well, when it comes down to it, that's pretty much spitting in the face of Christ and saying that Mary's more loving than He is despite the fact that it was Christ who paid the penalty for all of mankind's sins. Mary didn't do squat when it came to forgiving sins.
Agreed, even I, who's not so religious, can see how blasphemous that is. Pretty damn weird I say.
Uh, because the Bible says that sex is reserved for the institution of marriage?
Thats not a good enough reason for that.
Sorry, but I dismiss the Bible as a "holy book", its just a book...in my book! Seriously.
Not really. Right now I'm more interested in solidifying my friendship with guitar friend. I think I'm going to take the jump and ask wavy friend out to lunch sometime. As in, ask her today, for lunch anytime.
I was kidding actually, but...YAY you gonna ask her out! Lets see how that goes.
....................
When did I ever give the impression that I thought a life with wavy friend would be a bad thing?
Its called "humor"? As in, I was joking...again?? 
.........................wow.
And I thought that the amount of stupid contained in a person couldn't reach new heights.
.... 
Wait until you meet my friends. Oh wait, you cant. Lucky you 
Hey, I have a new name for your guitar friend! LIMEY GIRL!
No, she WILL be Limey Girl, when they are officially together, bf-gf relationship at least. Right now, she's just Limey Man's guitar friend
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Whiskey's reply #1613: Man, I dont know where to start lol. I dont mean to get you more mad than you already are, but that RAGE was sooooo amusing! 
Oh sorry, troll qualities still there 
I need a moment.
...............
Ok ready, hit me.
Okay, I'm back. I've got it- "punchbag".
Good call. I think I would prefer "crapbag", just because its funnier, but "punchbag" has a more "OMGIWANTTOKILLTHISGUY" feel to it.
That's right, punchbag. Keeping in mind, that, initially, I didn't particularly care for him, but neither did I like him. But he just had to hail me, and pretty much asked whether or not I was interested in guitar friend in a more romantic fashion.
My answer? "She's just my friend".
Ok, hold on. Considering that she wasnt present at that moment, you could just tell him that you ARE interested in a romantic fashion about her, to kind of set him off track, but then again, he could screw you over by spilling the beans to her, which would be bad. So hmm, tough call.
I asked him if they were together- he seemed to think so. Perhaps this is something to ask her- especially in front of him. After all, if she gives a different answer, that could be most amusing..........
Seemed to think so?? Whether they are together or they arent, and if they are, I think you can pretty much tell, from the way she greets him, and....everything else.
And yes, asking her if they are together, can only be good for you, because if they arent, you win AND make him look like a tool. If they are, you havent really lost anything, and at least you found out how things are...at the moment.
Ask her, its just a simple question, and you are friends with her, nothing wrong with asking your friend if they have a gf/bf.
Anyways, back on track. He then goes on to tell me that he's been 'backing off' to give her 'room to grow'- and indirectly suggests I do the same.
Sounds like someone wants to take you out of the "game" so they can "score" without any "obstacles". Oh sorry for the expression, but it is quite obvious what he's trying to do there, otherwise, why else would he tell you that?? You arent friends with him or anything.
Apparently, he also thinks he can tell me that if I break guitar friend's heart, he'll break me- AFTER I TOLD HIM THAT SAME THING.
Whooaaa, seems we have a love triangle right there. Or at least 2 guys who want 1 girl, and that can never end up good for everyone 
So here I am, planning out how I'm going to put punchbag in his place, as well as extenuating circumstances for his disappearance that would allow me to remain completely un-implicated. After all, it's not that hard to get a vehicle to transport a big sack of potatoes, say, 6' long, 2' wide, 1' deep, and about 50-70 kilograms. And a shovel. For once, I'm glad I live on a street where the neighbors have no sense of courtesy and park the cars, of which they have too many, freaking everywhere.
LMAO 
That was absolutely hilarious! Hey, we can even call him potatohead! 
So right now I'm busy planning on how to get punchbag to put his hand on me (NOT THAT WAY), repeatedly, so I can claim self defense when I snap his elbow and send him to the ground crying like the little bitch he is.
I really dont think that kicking his butt would help your relationship with guitar friend at all. Sure, you would teach him a lesson, and MAYBE get him out of the picture, but its the wrong approach, I'm afraid. And I said MAYBE, because if you do kick his butt, then she may feel sorry for him, and be a little hostile to you. Especially if you provoke him into a fight.
Trust me, there are better ways of taking him out than this. Instead of using muscles, use your brain, and try to make him look like a fool, and screw him over in HER eyes. Doesnt matter what you or other people think. She (guitar friend), needs to think he is a big fat tool, an idiot, a loser, etc.
I am sure there are many cunning ways to do just that, but as I dont know either the guitar friend, nor punchbag, I cant tell you how to do that. I'm sure that you can come up with something good though.
Just remember, you are kind of in a short leash here. You shouldnt waste any time, unless you want to sit back and watch Mr punchbag asking Ms MostWanted out on a date. She may say no, but she may also very well say yes. I dont know if you want to take that chance, but if I were you, I wouldnt.
Plan carefully, and think ahead. If you play this right you win, and he losses. And yes, this IS a game, and may the best man win, simple as that.
Also, yeah I know I am really throwing lots of my personal thoughts/opinions rather than objective 3rd party suggestions on this one, but I dont care lol. Take it or leave it.
Last but no least, judging from everything you said so far about guitar friend and stuff, I am pretty sure you love her and this isnt a mere infatuation and a little more than that, like you said. You've got all the symptoms of Love, and I am afraid there is no cure, my friend
Oh dear, I seem to have written that out. Fuck it, I'm fucking pissed, and I don't care. I want to rip his heart out, and crush it in my iron grip in as merciless and cruel a fashion as possible*.
'Tis ok. I know how you feel.
And who cares about the RAGE-post? We all do it from time to time. Except maybe Limey Man, he's...different. He just drinks his cup of tea with lime, and no harm no foul 
Quoting Whiskey144, reply 1615
Quoting Gandhialf, reply 1614Whaddya chatting about guys?
GET OUT
Be nice to the new guys, Whiskey.
^This. Be nice and welcome the new people please.
And Whiskey try hitting a soft object. If I get angry at something, I usually throw a tantrum against my pillow
Gonna answer for myself here.
1. That doesnt help at all.
2. Each and every time I did this, the pillow ended up ripped off and with feathers flying in my room (with a single punch). Good for pillow fights, but bad for a raging maniac who wants to kill every feather around him.
See, that just wouldn't be as satisfying as feeling blood and brains flow between my fingers as..........I.........
..............
Well, you get the idea. For some reason I don't think I should finish that image. If you disagree, say so.
Yes please dont. Lets keep it civilized.
He seems to me to be a classic control freak. This whole "letting her grow" as if he owns her really rubs me the wrong way. You haven't told us much, but is this guy genuinely interested in her as a human being or as a nice pull to brag to his mates about (or to himself, some people do this just for the ego boost)?
Seems to me that its the latter. And if I were in Whiskey's shoes, I wouldnt let that creep touch her, because I agree with the "control freak" comment. Then again, trying to take him out seems like a control freak-y thing to do as well, but its preferable than to let him hurt guitar friend, but thats just me.
I would also like to add, that if she (guitar friend) is a smart lady, can separate the good from the bad apples, in which case Whiskey could sit back and see what happens, but again, I dont know either of the 2 people, so I am just guessing here.
And yes, like you said, these people do it for the ego boost, as well as the social status and other benefits they think there are.
If the former, then I say fair play. You both like her, see who she likes more. If the latter, resist temptation. There is no need for violence of deed or thought. Work towards your goal. Ignore the corks momentarily bobbing to the surface, and focus on reaching the bank. As much as I'm sure it would hurt you inside, she may fall for him even in this case, but not for long one would hope.
There is every possibility that she may fall for him, or even another. If she's happy, then be happy for her. If this guy is a creep, then just remember that nice people fall for trophy-hunters far too often (and it happens both ways!), but the "player" of the two will quickly get bored, and I doubt that the nice one will fall for it again.
I'll say it again Whiskey, be fully prepared for plans to go awry. No plan survives contact with the enemy, to use a suitably military expression. A relationship with your guitar friend may never occur, and you need to be prepared for any number of new situations. So don't get lost in the possible futures, but focus on the present. There is always a balance to be found.
If this man is your better in her eyes, then that is a fact which we must accept. Play clean, play fair, best man wins in the end.
(Man, I think I am the wrong person giving advice here...)
Now, here's some good and well-thought advice.
@Whiskey: I strongly suggest that you listen to Oatesy, he is really sensible, and offers well-thought objective advice on this one, unlike me.
Sorry, but I had to say it, I fully agree with everything Oatesy said so far. Do the right thing 
I'm going to straight-up say, AGAIN, that right now I'm only intending on pursuing a friendship with guitar friend. That said, I really really really really REALLY don't like punchbag. My dislike for him would never have happened, if he just didn't decide "I should tell this other guy to leave her alone because of whatever bullshit reason I (punchbag) decided to concoct".
You think she is able to see what a tool punchbag is? If not, then you could try helping her see that 
That way, you stick to fair-play, and you win in discretion.
............Also, the plan to make punchbag mysteriously disappear is... tenuous. Unfinalized. A more permanent, if inelegant, solution. And right now I don't need it.
Thats not a solution Whiskey, thats madness and jealousy driving your thoughts and feelings.
I'm going to just send her an email, and then give her my number so that we can arrange a meet.
Pretty straightforward and efficient. I approve.
I'm going to start thinking on homemade flails and maces- particularly the former. Mostly because I've realized that a properly sized infantry warhammer would be inconveniently large to fit into a messenger bag. A mace would likely be similar, but a flail? I bet I could get a flail into a messenger bag, easily, and still have room for:
2 towels
1 Lifehammer vehicle escape tool
3-5 fully-charged sparkplugs
2-5 rolls of duct tape
1 set of boltcutters
1-3 smoke grenades
1-2 Irritant gas grenades
0-1 poison gas grenades
0-2 incendiary grenades
0-1 "Four-Winds" shotgun
Various papers allowing me to open combo locks in >=5 minutes, unlock keyless car entries, get a beverage like a boss, get change from a vending machine (PROFIT!)
As it stands, I'll probably have to skip most of the grenades and take the minimum of duct tape.
I cant tell if you're serious, or if you're joking, but if it is the former, then you are nuts lol
Morph: I took your advice. We're going to Winter Wonderland on Saturday evening. Iceskating, atmosphere, perfect time to make the move. Wish me luck!
YES! 
THATS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!
Good luck, and be cool, just like you are when you write to us here.
There are arseholes out there. Some grow up, others don't. This guy's clearly not that smart, so I wouldn't be worried in any way if I were you. If he was clever and malicious and controlling, now that's when I'd start worrying.
More arseholes than you can count.
And if he was clever and malicious and controlling like you said, Whiskey wouldnt know about him until he managed to get Whiskey to look like a fool in guitar friend's eyes. There are many ways one can do that.
A wormhole opened up and suddenly I'm in Days Of Our Lives......
Oh hey, its Joe Tribiany from Friends! Whatsup man
Quoting RedneckDude, reply 1623WTF....well...ok.
LEAVE. NAO.
Please stop doing that Whiskey, the new guys can post here if they want to.
Indeed, so so random.
Also, HOLYCRAPIT'SIROKONESSANDSHE'SBACKWE'RESOGETTINGTHEOLDGUARDBACKTOGETHER!
IROKONESS has been posting in the karma game for quite some time now. I think you mean she is back in the Chatroom specifically? 
Its Kewl, with a K.
I'm actually going to be singing in various concerts at my school, and they're always recorded, so once I've got the recordings (I'm one of the three AS-Level music candidates, so we're always asked to do the processing etc of recordings in the mixing studio) I'm thinking I might stick them on youtube or something. Then everybody can hear me sing!
Yet you never post anything here in the Chatroom. I demand that you give me youtube links with you singing something 
Also, free MP3 downloads please, kthanks.
And I for one would love to hear you sing. Please do put it on youtube. That would be so awesome.
to that.
to Oatesy to give him some incentive to post on youtube.
My shining star: Well, you can guess, if you've been reading back. Seriously, listen to her music, its awesome.
And the more I talk to her the more I realise how amazing she is!
Yes, and please tell her to post more of her work on her YouTube channel, if you want.
I hope you guys took a minute for The 70th anniversary of Pearl Harbor today.
No, because I am not American, but I watched a documentary about Pearl Harbor yesterday. It was very good, but I already knew all that stuff, so meh.
Punchbag, OTOH, well................
I think I'm going to start going into more detail with my plan to.....remove...him.
I hope you dont plan on removing him by force. Like I already said, there are better ways to do that, than use violence.
Emphasis is kinda screwed when the audience has to ask WTF it means.
Communication takes two.
Jargon is lost on most.
It doesnt matter. NAO is so much better than NOW, because its funnier, it makes the reader pronounce it naO with an O at the end, and also its kinda cute, not necessarily in a girlish way.
NAO > NOW in some occasions.
....like it took me a while to work out what 'FOAD' meant....then I IP-banned the twit.
Well, you see thats different, because it is very insulting, and doesnt even help amuse anybody else than the writer.
I am done NAO. Replied to everything, and those who wont read my post...good for you!
Have a nice day, and Whiskey keep it cool and civilized. Mostly in real life I mean
P.S. Glad to see IROK here. I hope she will become a regular
