My dear Lagfleet

I  think u have spend too much time with kok, or even he wrote it for u. Definitly its his level.

U can flame me  but u cant change the fact, confirmed by most skilled players,

It seems u r that kind of the person who  wont belive in truth even when that truth punch u in the face.

I did use extreme exaggerated arguments as my opponetns did. And yes i can relay on that 4v4 replay as argument in disscusion with Minds. Definitly has more vlaue then your pointless flaming. Wonder, y u hate me so much? Must have hit u  too many times with your favourite mines subs combo. Worked great for  spammers like u.

The problem with your, Greys,  mine, and many other people argument and point of view is we play only 1 race, or have 1 race as favourite , and want that race to be better.

Thats y we should listen to JJ and Cykur who plays all races and have most expirience.

So go and read everything if its not too hard for yout tiny little  spammer brain and then, add something constructive if u can.

PS, or better not, i already know what will u say: NERF vasari nerf subs nerf phase misilles nerf phase traps nerf scintra  boost javs's dmg, hp, speed and range.

lol qu4r oh qu4r. where you get the idea that i prefer a sub mine combo i dont even know as i dont tend to play vasari because they have too many advantages. hell the only huge problem that i see with vasari really is that phase traps stop sc for too long. i have since learned that subs are counterable, although it requires huge investments to defeat it. as far as i saw, no one has asked for advent or TEC to be specifically improved, only general BALANCE put inplace. i know you dont want it to change because you thrive in unbalance and making people angry by exploiting that unbalance then saying its not there but it is. deny all you want it doesnt change facts. i dont know how you get your ideas that most people think sins is balanced because they dont. also, why do you think its always quar vs the world? hmmm...could it be that possibily you are wrong? no that can't be it. now qu4r i understand the only way you can think is how can i make this person angry but that does not help us get balance into the game. but there is one thing i must thank you for. by being ignorant and a huge troll you have almost single handely kept this thread alive meaning that devs might get attracted to it. now i have seen some good ideas for balance in here, and maybe they will get implemented into the game.

{SB}=>Warfleet

PS qu4r quick question, what do i spam? i am puzzled by that because i tend to use mixed fleets except for early game.

while were talking about kosturas.

tec novalith is usefull kostura is very usefull...advent cannon is,,,complete waste of everything

i mean seriously i dont get how the devs didnt test this and say 'wait what is this supposed to do again?'

it does look cool il give them that but seriously is that what ur going for when u spend all that money/time to get them ?

stupidest thing in this game easily no contest, most people have never even seen one let alone know what it does and when u make one and use it it does NOTHING (except look cool )

it should atleast maybe knock off allegeince say 30% or so per shot at targeted planet, maybe for awhile the max allegiance of targeted planet is greatly reduced...something i mean comeon

and also returning armada used to be OP, it got nerfed WAY TO MUCH and now NOONE uses it,

1-please dont do this to the skirantra (nerf it into the ground making it completely useless)

2-can it (RA) maybe be buffed back up to maybe it actualy becomes a part of the game again ?

I play vasari.  I like vasari. 

I played vasari because vasari was underplayed.  most people were advent or tec.

now...

everyone plays vasari.

I want vas to be nerfed so everyone else stops playing vasari.

Phase missles are something a vasari is gonna research anyways.  Very few intentionally research the culture upgrades for advent to even get a deliverance or even have reason to build civ labs past 3 for trade.  Put it on the wave tree and then you will be sorta on par with advent or or even closer to advent and be something equally unresearched on the civ tree.

[_]-Greyfox

This thread was created before 1.2 patch when skilled Vasari with 2-4 skirantras from start used to field 60+ bombers in as soon as 15 minutes into the game. Late game vasari has subverters (larger area effect than in 1.2) and kosutra which if fired 6-8 kosutras at same planet destroyed everything but SB in gravity well.

With 1.2 release balance of power is shifted to TEC and Advent. Vasari is still deadly to unskilled player with SB rush and if he has a lot of neutrals but it is much harder for him.

This thread describes game strategies and mechanic of pre 1.2 version and therefore it should die. 

Yes but a Vasari victory won't be as clear...especially on faster speeds, shutting down entire fleets with subverters is exceptionally difficult now and TEC have dem bots which can easily shut down large amounts of firepower in a short period of time...it is to the point where the superior TEC economy can easily rebuild after a military defeat against the Vasari late game...add on the new novalith buff and TEC have a pretty damn good late game...