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pacov's League of Legends general discussion thread - strategies, etc

By on November 29, 2011 1:07:18 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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I've locked/archived this thread/blog and have started a new discussion over here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/454943/

Please join me if you like.

 

 

 


 

 

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Well, I started a thread  back in August (http://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

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Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906
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April 4, 2013 8:04:43 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Holy crap... thanks man!

Believe it or not I was actually trying to do this a couple different ways but it didn't work out.  My old Logitech mouse would let me change the Left Click button to something else, but then would go haywire and not let me change anymore buttons around.  My new Roccat's programming just says no.  A while back I tried macroing attack move onto the mouse wheel like I had back in the DoW II days, but what worked great for sending troops to there doom felt really wonky for LoL.

Nice find, gonna try that out today.

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April 4, 2013 10:27:23 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I AM IN A GAME WITH PETERDUMPTRUCK!

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April 4, 2013 11:12:23 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I'm done for the night - hedgie/trouser/swan/pete + ? are about to play a normal.  If anyone is interested, pete's going to mid.  Just spectate hedgie or swan's game.  Pete said he hasn't really played in a few months and was pretty rusty.  Still playing malz out of mid.  Was good to see him again.  he played pretty bad, had one really great ult that got us back into business, and then mocked the enemy team in all chat over and over.  pete.

 

 

Oh - and feedback from my keybind change experiment.  I did it so that left click would be attack move.  It wasn't really bad, but not super useful as adc.  Note - you need to press shift and left click to click on the shop on the map or to pull up stats on creeps, etc.  Doesn't sound that bad, right?  Wrong. I played a game as jungle udyr after that.  I have to hold down shift + smite to smite.  And pings were a complete bitch to issue as you have to hold down shift and then do some combo of the ping, but I couldn't pull it off consistently.  Not being able to quickly ping as a jungler is smeh.  Not being able to 100% instantly smite as a jungler is smeh.  I removed the keybinding IMMEDIATELY after that game.  I didn't really experience any real bonus (if I had run ignite, it would have been a hindrance (eg shift + ign) - I just didn't notice that as I ran barrier).  Anyway, VERY noticeable as a jungler using it for the 1st time and very difficult to ping at least.  I think what would be very useful is a binding that you could click that would only attack champs the moment they became visible - eg attack/move champs only.  Even then, I'd want to bind it to something else.  There's probably a really good sweet spot to find if anyone is willing to put the time in, but that's what I think would be best. 

tl;dr - don't use the left click setup if you jungle. 



oh - and I just decided to see if pbe had an update before going to bed.  It's like a 400 meg change.  interesting... PBE itself is still down (you can't even log in with the backdoor code).  I think riot is doing more than a few cool things right now.  A 400 meg change is either a shitton of content or they had a MAJOR issue that needed addressed... and anything that requires a 400 meg fix is insane - so its likely a shitton of content/textures/whatever.  I'd expect interesting new soon.

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April 4, 2013 11:24:29 PM from PoliticalMachine Forums PoliticalMachine Forums

well we won 3/3 elise support... viable?  I think so... think it'd be hard against a leona since cc seemed to eff us up a little that last game.

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April 5, 2013 12:15:38 AM from PoliticalMachine Forums PoliticalMachine Forums

how many league points do you get per win?  I just played my first game after placement, won, and got like 36... >.>

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April 5, 2013 12:32:40 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Re: Left Click Attack Move

I had the opposite experience from you.  For me it's an absolute godsend...

We probably had different experiences using it because I use smartcasting for everything.  That includes wards, pings, summoner spells... everything.  So essentially my left mouse button has been only used for clicking on items in the shop, which I can still do with the guys setup.

Also,  my attack move click button is activated by my index finger which also is what I use to hit my #4 item, 1st summoner spell, and ultimate ability.  This kind of had always sucked when playing Bruisers and ADCs now that they have a activatable item (BotRK which I always put on 4 to keep track) and I've been trying to figure out a different setup... but now I don't have to.  Oh and on my boy Corki, trying to spam his Ult while kiting on the edges of the fight with attack move clicking was a nightmare...  Time to start exploding Big Ones in people's faces!  (Archer Quote: "Phrasing!")

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April 5, 2013 8:52:35 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Koskee,
well we won 3/3 elise support... viable? I think so... think it'd be hard against a leona since cc seemed to eff us up a little that last game.

honestly, I'm still on the fence for 2 reasons - 1 - the people we were laned up against in all of those games were pretty awful.  2 - due to that awfulness, they never really capitalized when you'd miss your snare.  Other side note - while it wasn't a debacle (huehue), you really need to make more of an effort not to take secured kills or to at least purchase items that directly benefit your adc if you've taken, oh say 4 of their kills.  1 of those 4 kills you def should have taken and was a great play.  The other 3, at least to me, were obviously secured kills.  I'd expect to see an early aegis and not additional gp/5's for you.  My fault for continuing to play like I actually had the money when we were like 8/0 or whatever, though. 

Quoting Koskee,
how many league points do you get per win? I just played my first game after placement, won, and got like 36... >.>

The lp system is generally very generous after you place.  I think it took me 3-4 games to start my first promo series.  As long as you are consistently winning, you'll continue to get similar lp (though you'll see it slowly drop off... very slowly btw).  The only weird thing that happened to me was when I hit my silver I to gold V promo series.  I went from getting like 25 lp all the way down to like 1lp per game.  I still tend to think it might have been a bug (I was on like a 10 game win streak and getting 1 lp per game... was fucking stupid).  Did make hitting gold feel like more of an accomplishment.  Anyway, I'd expect a similar experience when you get to the gold promo match, but everything should feel pretty steady while you are moving up.  36-18 lp per game sounds about right.

Another thing to keep in mind - there are benefits in playing a bunch of ranked immediately after you place or are promoted to a new division/tier.  You are labeled as a rookie and that keeps you from being demoted if you lose a bit after you move up. 

Quoting Thundercles,
We probably had different experiences using it because I use smartcasting for everything. That includes wards, pings, summoner spells... everything. So essentially my left mouse button has been only used for clicking on items in the shop, which I can still do with the guys setup.

that's EXACTLY how I have everything set up on my end.  The problem I have is specifically with using the left mouse button.  That was no good for me.  If I think of it, I'll toy around some with the code and see what else I can come up with. 

 

edit - re: the keybinding.  I replied on reddit and a guy responding saying that I must not have my summoner's set to smart cast, which is probably correct.  So, that would likely sort out my gripe about not being able to easily use my summoner's.  I'm kind of interested now and will likely screw around with it after work.

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April 5, 2013 4:08:22 PM from PoliticalMachine Forums PoliticalMachine Forums

Not saying I'm a pro elise-support lol... i definitely know there's work to be done, and I just have to control her more... everytime we went in at them i was all like 'press all the buttons' so yeah, i know with her i need to work on not ksing lol

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April 5, 2013 4:09:50 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Yeah, doesn't sound like your pings are set to smart cast either from what you describe.

I have two buttons, one for a target and one for alert.  You place the cursor over the map or part of the screen and then either press and release the button for the simple ping, or click and drag for the special ping you want.  There isn't any need to press shift or the left mouse button needed if you have your pings on smart cast.

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April 5, 2013 4:25:35 PM from PoliticalMachine Forums PoliticalMachine Forums

no league for me tonight btw... sick as a dog... taking nyquil t-minus now...  see y'all hopefully tomorrow night

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April 5, 2013 4:32:13 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Koskee,
Not saying I'm a pro elise-support lol

I'm really just referring here to elise as a support in general - eg pacov on fence abt that.

Quoting Thundercles,
Yeah, doesn't sound like your pings are set to smart cast either from what you describe.

I check all this in a bit.

 

PBE is back on line and I'm queued up for it.

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April 5, 2013 6:02:11 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

checking out lissandra on pbe now and streaming if anyone interested in that.  only playing for about 10 min.

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April 5, 2013 6:38:13 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I'm going to play another game with her on pbe now.  1st thoughts - wow.  She feels unique to me.  Really good quality artwork on her stone leg thingees... She feels alot like a more powerful amumu.  Her w can snare for 1.5 sec, she has a very nice gap closer, and she can nuke up close.  Very strong single target nuke potential AND multi target and a cc machine.  Solid mobility with her e.  High cooldowns and mana cost early, so you wont be a spam bot.  I feel like she could MAYBE be a jungler.  Top lane poss, support poss - I kind of feel like at level 6 you'd almost for certain be able to lock down kills.  Maybe even bruiser top.  I really like her over all kit.  Anyway, playing one more on pbe in about 4 min.  I'll be jibba jabbering.

I tend to think her passive is rot.  a free spell every 18 seconds (no mana).

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April 6, 2013 2:19:14 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Very challenging games last night.    carbon/dax - I really enjoy playing with guys and it was good to see you again.  Any frustration you may have been hearing from me was about my performance and our pal synn (summoner's curse).  Hope to catch everyone again soon.  Be on later tonight.

I'm 1 game away from finishing my placement matches on my alt account.  6/3 right now.  Its an account that played 0 ranked last season.  Any guesses on where I'll place?  If I go 7/3, I'm thinking I will be silver 2.  6/4 = silver 5 or 4.

Here's my current ranked stats on alt account.  Doing really well with my weird mastery trist build. 

ChampionGamed PlayedKillsDeathsAssistsCreep Score
 
1 9/game 5/game 8/game 150/game
 
1 10/game 3/game 9/game 224/game
 
1 2/game 8/game 20/game 102/game
 
1 0/game 4/game 19/game 42/game
 
5 9.4/game 2.8/game 5/game 142/game

 

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April 6, 2013 8:07:59 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

apparently im interested in theory crafting atm... goofing off in customs trying crap out.  be up for games in a wee bit.

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April 6, 2013 9:05:25 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

so question... with teleport, I seem to be unable to cast that for the 1st 10 seconds of the game.  That sound right?

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April 6, 2013 9:28:47 PM from PoliticalMachine Forums PoliticalMachine Forums

so... i'm going to bed ready for my promotional series... would love to duo-queue through those tomorrow afternoon if any of you are willing.  let me know, let's make a date!

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April 7, 2013 12:48:17 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

if im around and you need some help, I'm game bro.  I think thunder said he can't play until monday.  Be aware that if I duo with on my normal account, the competition is going to be a little more difficult - my mmr is a bit high and I end up playing a bunch with folks above gold... which is nice and not so nice.  Anyway, I could play on that acct or play on my alt.  I'm best spec'd for adc on that acct but have a char for every role anyway... just not too deep a champ pool.

 

 

ANYONE ELSE pick up the age of empires 2 HD thing?  Loved aoe2.  I've been replaying through that and aoe3 here and there.  Really love it.

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April 7, 2013 3:53:30 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting pacov,
ANYONE ELSE pick up the age of empires 2 HD thing?  Loved aoe2.  I've been replaying through that and aoe3 here and there.  Really love it.
Of course. I've already logged 16 hours in it.

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April 7, 2013 5:34:19 AM from PoliticalMachine Forums PoliticalMachine Forums

Either/or, pacov... you know I 80% play support... I should be home about 3:30pm your time... and getting the new aoe2 monday/tuesday... aoe3 was a huge waste of time imo... there were like 3 good nationalities and whoever got to make the first/second factory first won the match.

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April 7, 2013 11:42:15 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Koskee,
aoe3 was a huge waste of time imo... there were like 3 good nationalities and whoever got to make the first/second factory first won the match.

I play games like these mostly for SP.  That aspect is fun for meh.

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April 7, 2013 4:12:17 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I wont be free until later tonight.

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April 7, 2013 4:48:32 PM from PoliticalMachine Forums PoliticalMachine Forums

Where the hood at?

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April 7, 2013 8:26:30 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

duoing w swan on my alt - he was promoted to silver 3.  I played my last placement match and ended up in silver 3.  Also got my 2nd penta kill using my crappy rune setup n everything.  Super annoying game on and off.  Check my top laner's stats and they were awful and fed garen out the ass.  Enemy ez got fed out the ass as well.  Was a good win capitalizing on some bad plays at the wrong time.

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April 8, 2013 2:03:14 AM from PoliticalMachine Forums PoliticalMachine Forums

We did it!

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