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By on November 29, 2011 1:07:18 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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I've locked/archived this thread/blog and have started a new discussion over here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/454943/

Please join me if you like.

 

 

 


 

 

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Well, I started a thread  back in August (http://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

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Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906
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July 9, 2012 7:56:58 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I also wished peter would be a caster for a competitive game. Either that or stream. I think he would gather a massive following. 

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July 9, 2012 7:59:46 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

ok - i have about 4 hosted now.  Give em a look.  Subscribe to my amazing peter please channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i-JE0UWTws

 

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July 9, 2012 11:46:57 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

ok - so, I'm uploading 2 more. 

Let me give you my thought process quickly (because I'm going to scan a few more vids for content). here's what I do.  I record a good chunk of our games online.  Its as simple as pressing f12 whenever the game starts.  Sometimes the LoL client crashes and then crazy things happen, so I don't capture when I think I am... mostly it works ok though - I use bandicam to capture vid)

short side discussion on bandicam.  It's better than fraps because it compresses the videos on the fly.  With fraps for a 60 min game, I'm looking at a 300+ gig file.  With bandicam, I'm looking at 6 gigs with similar quality.  You can record 10 min clips for free with bandicam (so try it), but it does cost $30-$40 to own - same ballpark as a licensed version of fraps. 

ok - So, I look at what I get from my recordings.  Then I drop them into windows movie maker and come up with clips.  I'm not exactly putting a hell of alot of effort into it.  I'm quessing its around 12-15 minutes per short clip.  I could probably do better, but I'm just sorting things out.

Any thoughts on how to make the content better.  Thoughts + help works best, though.  The only blahblah I've heard is that they are too short... and its true - they are short, but the content is at least amusing.  I could flesh things out at the beginning or the end with and intro or outro, but that's all I can think of.  Anyway, I'll likely have a few more shorts to post tomorrow. 

Here's my big plan.  Once I have enough good clips, I'm going to go a little viral and get a good following.  I have enough connections to pull that off, but only once I have some solid content that LoL folks would dig.  I'm also looking to turn pete into a little bit of a star. 

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July 10, 2012 12:04:29 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums
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July 10, 2012 12:06:33 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

here's a direct link to my channel - http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-1SAKy8Y8Ptr0w6Fj1dQwQ?feature=mhee

subscribe yo.  I'll likely be spamming crap here for another few days and things will go back to normal

edit - that's it for me tonight.  There are a total of 3 new clips uploading now.  Give it a look if you like.  Night and thanks for the games!

 

edit edit - going to sleep now - adding "lucas can you pick that up" and "cow got meh"  sweep...

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July 10, 2012 8:47:29 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting OMG_Shiro,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8RnGNnTxac&feature=g-all-c

Well that's interesting... me = wonders if that's by design.

I'm in the process of uploading 1 pretty big video.  If the upload finishes (probably about 3 hours from the time of this post), you can give it a look if you like.  Not sure how entertaining it is - its just the smallest (1 gig) of my current vid captures. 

I submitted a couple of the short vid clips on reddit and hit 447 views after 12 hours.  Hoping I can actually come up with some half way decent content...

Random things I'm wondering - should I perhaps collect the clips and turn them into a 3-4 minute clip show or something like that with some brief narration before a clip?  Not sure if I really want to go that route or not.  I'm thinking of pulling a sound byte of vlad saying "peter please" and putting that into most vids.  I'm not sure if I captured vid of it or not, but if I did, I'm looking to do a longer (but cut up) vid showing peters support skills off (complete with rage of his team not protecting him, the support).

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July 10, 2012 9:53:15 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Looks like my last vid finally finished uploading.  No direct link for it, so just find it using the channel link above if you are interested... I'm surprised - its only like 6 minutes (1 gig)... smeh.  Ah well, hope there's something entertaining in there anyway.

edit - ah its just a vid of me and peter bitching.  pacov's bitching because it took 4 people to get a blue for ziggs when we should have been attacking baron, then bitching because we dont get baron because of the blue, then peter bitching because we lost a tower.  Anyway, lots of bitching per minute (BPM). 

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July 10, 2012 12:30:31 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

So I'm trying to figure out how to make a really short intro that I'd use for all of my videos.  No idea how do that at this point, but here's what I have in mind.  Perhaps having the words "league of pacov" slamming onto the screen 1 by 1 in short order with some sound effects.  If its a peter focused episode, then I'll have it read leauge of pacov, then have pacov crossed out, then write in peter.  I really, really, have no idea how to pull off crap like this, though.  If any of you have a clue or some talent in this area, help would be appreciated.  Thanks!  Basically, I need some sound files (perhaps a bomb dropping or just some thuds).  I don't really think I can do much cool without figuring out how do annimation (and I doubt I'm going to do that)... I'm sure I can figure out how to make some words fall into place - it just wouldn't look all that cool. 

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July 10, 2012 1:51:08 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Currently your name is in place of League of Pacov

EDIT

your raging is funny...

but that long clip seemed to be there just to prove to Peter that you were actually coming to his aid

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July 10, 2012 3:10:47 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Yeah - I suppose I really don't care that much about my name showing up.  It's some stupid crap with google +.  Not really sure how to get around it and replace the video owner as pacov or league of pacov, though.  If anyone has a clue, do tell.

re: that 6 minute or so clip - I really didn't know what was in the clip when I uploaded that one - just picked the smallest file size and started the upload.  Those are the types of clips I love/hate.  Sure, I know it can be funny at times to hear someone rage a bit (everyone on the team helping ziggs get a blue instead of going for baron and losing as a result can do that to a fellas).  One of my fav recent you tube clips is a guy just raging his ass off for like 20 minutes because corki keeps kicking his ass and his team won't help him.  On the other side of the rage crap is just the really annoying whining child bit.  That game was semi designed for maddening rage.  We had our fail top pick up player that started blaming folks after he played miserably, peter whining, me whining, etc.  As long as games like that aren't the norm, then good.  I think I'm going to make some "support school" videos using footage from some of these vids, though.  I could actually do a pretty good series if I can get pete to play more and more non supports as supports.  I already have a good chunk of the script in my mind:  "First off, if you are a support and you don't run with TP/CV, uninstall now."  And so on. 

re: the video intro bit, I'm looking into grabbing a trial of adobe after effects - pretty sure you get 30 days for free.  And there are some pretty good video tutorials out there that should get me up and running in short order.  Hopefully I can whip something up with that. 

Also, apparently Kay Lee is Kh-Ale.  Or so I've been told.   

 

 

edit - so we play a bunch of aram when we get alot of folks.  I think last night was the first time we had like 11 people on at the same time.  Anyway, nice to be able to do 5v5 games like that.  Is anyone else interested in either trying a different custom game type or in playing an in house 5v5 on summoners rift were we split the teams up?  we could have team captains and draft or something.  If we want to do different custom type game, there's catch the teemo or catch the soraka.  I don't know the rules off the top of my head, but they are pretty simple and could be fun.  ARAM is great but after like 8 in a row... smeh.

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July 10, 2012 3:38:31 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

You have to go to settings in your youtube page and turn it off. I can give you step-by-step instructions if you want.

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July 10, 2012 3:51:50 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting pacov,
edit - so we play a bunch of aram when we get alot of folks.  I think last night was the first time we had like 11 people on at the same time.  Anyway, nice to be able to do 5v5 games like that.  Is anyone else interested in either trying a different custom game type or in playing an in house 5v5 on summoners rift were we split the teams up?  we could have team captains and draft or something.  If we want to do different custom type game, there's catch the teemo or catch the soraka.  I don't know the rules off the top of my head, but they are pretty simple and could be fun.  ARAM is great but after like 8 in a row... smeh.

playing SR with only support

or only tanky AD bruisers

or all random with no items

 

I've played a bunch of these weird game modes, and I enjoy them.

 

I have also immensely enjoyed a tourney-style captain's draft in twisted treeline. (you pick captains who take turns picking teammates and then the teams go head-to-head in a tournament. Winner takes all.) I played a set of best out of three matches each round, with mandatory surrenders at 15 mins if the judge decided that a comeback was unlikely. It took 4 hours with 6 teams. Rules will be completely up to you, this was just something I participated in a while back.

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July 10, 2012 3:53:47 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

ever get a feeling you deleted you you tube account

oh boy.

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July 10, 2012 4:01:09 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

LOL

I think you win, Pacov

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July 10, 2012 4:11:55 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

well - i figured out what happened.  I deleted my google + profile so I could change my name.  That part worked... It set all of my vids to private until I re-associate the account with google +

Those step by step instructions for getting rid of my name in youtube would be great.  Thanks.

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July 10, 2012 4:21:44 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

go to your feed

click on the button "Channel settings"

go to the Info and settings tab

change your channel title

It should work

 

or you can do what I did

make a post on any video

a window will pop up asking you about your Google + name and if you want it used

if you don't, click "no"

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July 10, 2012 4:40:36 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

OK - I THINK I sorted that bit out. I actually found another way.  In youtube under account there is a setting to revert to username.  Tossing that in and creating a channel name sorted me out.  Think that stuff's fixed now.  Mayhaps. 

It LOOKS like everything is in working order.  back to what you were talking about.

Quoting KrdaxDrkrun,
playing SR with only support

or only tanky AD bruisers

or all random with no items

I've played a bunch of these weird game modes, and I enjoy them.

I have also immensely enjoyed a tourney-style captain's draft in twisted treeline. (you pick captains who take turns picking teammates and then the teams go head-to-head in a tournament. Winner takes all.) I played a set of best out of three matches each round, with mandatory surrenders at 15 mins if the judge decided that a comeback was unlikely. It took 4 hours with 6 teams. Rules will be completely up to you, this was just something I participated in a while back.

I don't think I'd dig a tourney on TT.  We played an in house 3v3 on TT just to mix it up, but it was pretty boring as most of us either don't like the map or don't play it much (I died as jungle nunu in about 2 minutes )

I like the idea of mixing it up, though. Supports only would be fun (this means peter can choose any character).  Mayhaps I'll post the rules (or someone else can) for catch the teemo and if folks want to give it a go, we can. 

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July 10, 2012 4:51:44 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

catch the Teemo

Imma play Nautilus with ghost and flash

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July 10, 2012 6:53:24 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Stealth rework - actual news

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=26754549#post26754549

actual news as in this stuff is either on pbe now or will be on the next update (1-2 weeks).

edit - its not on pbe now.  Pretty exciting changes, though.  Like eve actually being useful...

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July 10, 2012 8:04:35 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Hey guys - I'm going to be running late tonight (eg not there at 8:15).  Please start without me and I'll be on asap (likely 9PM). 

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July 11, 2012 12:29:55 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Couple quick things - kill paint bot lane if I set him up with bans... moving on

I have perfected my you tube intro video.  I've updated it since you last saw it (if you saw it tonight) and I trust its pretty much the most perfect intro on earth.  I'm re-uploading versions of my previous vids with my new intro on them.  Watch them again like new and smile at my amazing intro.  pewpew peter please is mentioned.

I'm working offsite tomorrow so I'll be able to check out some of my footage and come up with some new vids over lunch.  I will be uploading cow's empire asap.  I'm going to dig through a little backlog of footage first but will likely get to that stuff tomorrow.  I'll let you know as I upload new content, but in about 2-3 hours all my new versions will be uploaded.  Check out one of them and enjoy my new intro anyway.  Think I did a pretty good job for someone with no experience with adobe after effects.  Anyway, thanks again for all the fun games tonight.  I can't keep up with the content pace as it is, but I'll keep recording vids as possible and go back to grab new things when i can.

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July 11, 2012 10:39:37 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

In the same milieu as sweeping epics like Gone with the Wind, I present now, for your viewing pleasure, PeterDumpTruck starring in "Sugar piss."

http://www.youtube.com/user/LeagueOfPacov/feed

 

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July 11, 2012 1:08:36 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

they released another update to pbe - no updated eve or twitch as of yet.

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July 11, 2012 4:31:13 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Riot just confirmed that the reworked xin will be coming out with the stealth rework.  Fingers crossed for soon.  Nothing on pbe yet. 

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