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Is Rebellion really worth 40$?

By on February 10, 2012 12:09:01 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

JCD-Bionicman

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Ive paid a total of 70$ for everything. The 10$ discount is simply pathetic. The discount should be equal to 30% of what a player has already spent on the series. That means I should have to pay only 21$. Its not greed, its sense.

Other than the Titans and graphics upgrade, Im not hopeful for Rebellion. I dont feel like the rebels/loyalists will be very different from eachother other than their choice of Titan.

Plus, it sounds like corvettes are just going to be OP strikecraft upgrades which is supported by the fact that devs have specifically stated they will not be anti strikecraft. If they arent anti strikecraft, then are ARE the strikecraft because there isnt any other role they could possibly fill.

When you put all this into consideration, Rebellion sounds like a slightly-larger-than-usual micro expansion, better matching a price tag of 20$.

Now Im going to contradict myself (a bit). Youve got a confirmed account by the devs that the [loyalist?] Vasari will be nomadic and could potentially have a way funky playstyle considering they [dont need planets anymore? and] they're Titan is now their homeworld. Then youve got the TEC rebels who can ally with the pirates and use their ships [and stuff]. This implies that the loyalists and rebels are a concept that will immensely increase the strategic depth of SOASE and is well worth the 30$ I will be paying for it.

Question: For some reason I thought each capital ship would be getting new abilities. Am I wrong? I think this would help some of the more useless capital ships.

Another question: When will the preorder discount expire, and when will the game be released? A few months after Rebellion is released, do you think the discount will return?

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February 10, 2012 3:48:15 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Question: For some reason I thought each capital ship would be getting new abilities. Am I wrong? I think this would help some of the more useless capital ships.

More of an increase in levels for the abilities themselves. Think Guass Rail Gun for the Kol going 4 or 5 levels high. The idea is to make a ship (like the Kol) more useful with stronger abilities.

A few months after Rebellion is released, do you think the discount will return?

That is usually how it works. Most games (still waiting for Starcraft 2 but Blizzard is another story) usually will drop in price after being out for a while.

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February 10, 2012 5:29:22 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

I can't say if it's worth $40, but I can say it's worth $40 to me. Of course I'm getting it for $29.95, but that's a different story.

Regardless, this game is my final hope for PC platform.  If it turns out that it's an unfinished turd that will never become playable even after dozen patches, like few other things that burned me over the past few years, I will be DONE with PCs as platform.  And since I despise consoles, outside of few casual android games I will give up games all together.  I will pick up another hobby, probably an outdoor one, perhaps deer hunting.

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February 10, 2012 5:39:16 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Ive paid a total of 70$ for everything. The 10$ discount is simply pathetic. The discount should be equal to 30% of what a player has already spent on the series. That means I should have to pay only 21$. Its not greed, its sense.

 

"I want something for practically nothing because I bought your other stuff and ..."

 

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February 10, 2012 6:01:48 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

I've stopped taking the op seriously.

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February 10, 2012 6:02:22 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting boshimi336,



 

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February 10, 2012 6:27:21 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

they're Titan is now their homeworld.

I don't think that's been confirmed. I believe the interview said something about the Vasari loyalists being able to pack up and leave... and not leave the planet behind. Nothing about the Titan.

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February 10, 2012 6:53:09 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting JCD-Bionicman,

Quoting boshimi336, reply 3

 

Sup JCD.

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February 10, 2012 7:07:13 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting boshimi336,


"I want something for practically nothing because I bought your other stuff and ..."



Well said. That had a kind of poetry to it.

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February 10, 2012 7:12:46 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting Ryat,
More of an increase in levels for the abilities themselves. Think Guass Rail Gun for the Kol going 4 or 5 levels high. The idea is to make a ship (like the Kol) more useful with stronger abilities.

Personally not a fan of that...that'll just make low level caps even weaker late game...

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February 10, 2012 7:14:20 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

@The trollers on this thread,

None of you read the thread in its entirety obviously.

Quoting Seleuceia,

Personally not a fan of that...that'll just make low level caps even weaker late game...

...against other capital ships that is. Also I dont feel like this is a good reason to speak against higher level caps. Personally I think its stupid that they are doing that instead of adding new abilities (because some cap abilities are ridiculously underpowered) but just saying.

who="Astax" reply="2" id="3080196"]
If it turns out that it's an unfinished turd that will never become playable even after dozen patches, like few other things that burned me over the past few years, I will be DONE with PCs as platform.  And since I despise consoles, outside of few casual android games I will give up games all together.  I will pick up another hobby, probably an outdoor one, perhaps deer hunting.

Well said, but theres plenty of indie games and older games out there that should force you to keep your PC. Amnesia, the penumbra series, cryostasis... nothing else comes to mind right now but Im sure theres more games where those came from.

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February 10, 2012 8:17:47 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting JCD-Bionicman,
None of you read the thread in its entirety obviously.

I have completely read your thread in its entirety. My statement stands.

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February 11, 2012 12:16:18 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting boshimi336,

"I want something for practically nothing because I bought your other stuff and ..."

If you have read the thread in its entirety, then you didnt have the intellectual capacity to comprehend it then, because this sarcastic example of yours is complete bullshit.

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February 11, 2012 1:18:56 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting JCD-Bionicman,
this sarcastic example of yours is complete bullshit.

 

JCD you have misunderstood my intentions when I typed this. It was not meant to be sarcastic.

 

Nice use of a swear word to give more weight and meaning to the grammatical structure of your sentence.

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February 13, 2012 10:25:19 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting boshimi336,

Nice use of a swear word to give more weight and meaning to the grammatical structure of your sentence.


lawlz

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February 13, 2012 11:06:45 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

I'll be paying $40 as I don't own Diplomacy (or maybe I'll be able to nab Diplo and pre-order), and I can say that it's worth the whole $40, at least to me. Rebellion will be bringing changes that would not otherwise be possible, changes that are useful and ones that I've personally wanted for some time. In addition, it may inject more life into the game, making a stand-alone expansion will have more of an impact than just another micro-expansion. I personally have at least one friend of mine whose waiting for Rebellion to come out eagerly; he doesn't have Sins but the news of Rebellion excited him.

As for corvettes, they most definitely have a role they can play that isn't strikecraft related; hit and runs. Particularly against enemy merchant marine (seeing the AI tweaks coming in Rebellion, for all we know trade could have more of an impact), but also for roles already present in the game such as scouting and as envoys. Or perhaps, to expand on that hit and run bit, for sabotaging structures or planets? There's a large amount of possibilities with what can be done with corvettes, esp. as, if my understanding is correct, they are a whole new entity type (i.e. not just another frigate/cruiser type).

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February 13, 2012 11:40:32 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

It's a new modding enhancement kit with a free game--I'll take it!

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February 13, 2012 11:42:50 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting Astax,
I will give up games all together.  I will pick up another hobby, probably an outdoor one, perhaps deer hunting.

They have a deer hunter game already out ya know.  Save you a lot of time and money and I'll feel safer knowing an angry gamer with no games isn't prowling the countryside with loaded guns looking to vent his frustration.

Quoting Mal_Reynolds,

Quoting boshimi336, reply 13
Nice use of a swear word to give more weight and meaning to the grammatical structure of your sentence.

"Profanity...the last refuge of the witless."

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February 13, 2012 12:21:38 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

I will pay $40, simply because I haven't purchased Entrenchment or Diplomacy.  For people that have purchased those already, $20 for the new expansion would be reasonable.

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February 13, 2012 1:05:17 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting ,
Ive paid a total of 70$ for everything. The 10$ discount is simply pathetic. The discount should be equal to 30% of what a player has already spent on the series. That means I should have to pay only 21$. Its not greed, its sense.

Well, in 2010, when i have order Harpoon Ultimate edition, i have receive 25$ discount on the 75$ price tag ( at the release time ) because i have owner several of the previous release...

Yes, it was a 1/3 discount but Harpoon Ultimate edition was a 20 year edition with every version of the game made in the last 20 years... usually, you can have discount for these collector, gold, platinium, anniversary collection if you have previous version... these discount usually apply to old product and not new one...

When released, entrenchment/diplomacy was something new... Trinity was a cheap package with everything... Rebellion have new thing too... not only titan or Corvette are added but the graphic engine move from shader 2.0 to shader 3.0... well, these are the well know new features but there are other not so well know... by example, devs have speak about map triggers... they have not explain a lot about it but maybe it will allow some scenario features... one other feature planned on request of some people on these forum is the possibility to use custom map with multiplayer game via a automatic upload...

Point is it is best to wait the beta before speaking of a " slightly-larger-than-usual micro expansion"... after all, entrenchment or diplomacy was not a micro expension, so called DLC... plenty of game using the DLC system simply sell some new armor/spaceship for a few $$$ without reworking the game engine and the play mechanic... each of the soase expansion have fully change the way the game is play... adding more that only a few ship... in fact, some other game publisher will have release some of the free soase patch as a DLC... patch are normally for correct bug, not for improve the engine...

About greed... think of the following... plenty of game cost 50$ for only 50 hours ( or less ) of play... let say that you order Rebellion with the 10$ discount... you will have pay a whole 100$ since 2008 ( 5 year ago )... seem a lot... now, count how much hours you have already play the game and count the cost by hours... result will be very very small... count how much you will have pay if you was using a other type of entertaiment... by example, the same amount of time hiring/buying video film, or being at cinema, or buying music...

Same at a total of 100$, soase is a cheap entertaiment... well, it is usually true for almost all strategic/tactical game due to high reply possibilities... or for game with a huge amount of modding who give a new life to game... luck for us, soase is a strategic game with a huge modding communauty...

About modding, pretty sure that Rebellion will add some features requested by modders and so, with time, modders will move on Rebellion only ( ask to much resource for maintain a mod for all version )...

In short, we cannot yet reply to your question if Rebellion is worth 40$ until we can really see everything who is added or improved... personaly, i think it is worth because of the already high reply value of the game and because i am pretty sure that Rebellion will include some feature requested by modders ( who will allow new high mod level )...

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February 13, 2012 2:15:34 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting Sinperium,
"Profanity...the last refuge of the witless."

I like that. I may steal it. I've always gone with the Louis Lamour quote:

"Profanity is an attempt by the weak mind to express itself forcefully."

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February 13, 2012 2:18:01 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Profanity can also be caused by the lesser minded driving an otherwise well-tempered and intelligent person insane.

 

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February 13, 2012 3:06:34 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting Sinperium,

"Profanity...the last refuge of the witless."

That actually makes so much sense.

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February 13, 2012 6:19:29 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting Sinperium,
"Profanity...the last refuge of the witless."

Dammit, I don't understand...

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February 13, 2012 7:23:11 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

(Facepalm)

 

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February 14, 2012 2:07:34 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Stardock and Ironclad deserve all the money they have gotten from me. 

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