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MMmmmmm team based paintball.....

Now your singing my tune!

I like the chess feel that is Sins. 

no no no-- you cannot and will not convince me sins is a hard game by showing me some Asians and some dude in a suit-uttering jiba jaba about life and the human condition-dear god-Iam where iam -money wise-hihi-cos i worked hard-i love sins cos i play it alot and i learnt to win in our crazy aoe,sc and sin lans. Theres no high intellectual sins game. It is all fun, colonization, build orders, research and counters.. its your own inability to think that makes it hard.  

Don't worry i forgive you for having to deal with high learning curves. It very understandable to your reactions. 

I'm afraid that once preset maps are being used only one or two strategies will be viable, which is horrible since this game has already little versatility.

Besides if you want to do a fair 1v1 game vs another pro player why not just play on razor's edge?

When things fail-- play with the map 'storm front' then you will know the truth about your game-style. 

His mojo was stolen by this:

There are some real anaolgies there to how some "Pros" play as well.

Not seeing a high intellectual sins game is really only attributed to the quoted individual above.  Sins is all about screwing with other people and forcing their hand, that is if you have skill enough to do so.  Riddle king can baselessly declare that others are at fault when in his own writing he shows his extreme creative limitations.  He will no doubt tag along on my posts like a pimple on my ass.  Just remember that he has delegated himself to this position of his own free choice. 

Its fun dealing with lickspittle like riddle king.  Everyone should have their own forum sidekick.

My paper disproves spock

I need no justification for how I spend my time, I take responsibility for everything I choose in my life, that is how I am.  I don't allow any sort of delusion to come into my life and I headhunt weakness and fear in others around me.  I keep my motives pure and my focus sharp.  I play sins because I enjoy it, and I especially enjoy playing the other intelligent players who are on ICO (this is where the "high intellectual part comes in").  Also, your creative limitation has nothing to do with your writing.  I am talking about the thought process behind the writing, and how I view that to be limited. 

I am not confusing the game's learning curve, with "high strategy".   I have no confusion about learning curves.  The discussion is actually centered upon what occurs after you have learned the game.  Are you able to take it to a higher level(and sins is a game that you can)?  This ability translates to all things in life.  It is the "barrier of mediocrity" that separates people in society.  Sins provides an easy way for those who normally wouldn't ever penetrate this barrier to learn how to overcome it.  This takes constant practice, and losing the right sort of thinking for even a short while can really set you back a long ways towards achieving your goals.  

There are many other games that resonate with people in this fashion, sins is resonates well with me because it has several advantages over many other games i've played.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, as you are one of those hard minded people that can never be convinced.  Ever wonder why I posted threads in the past the way I did? Because my goal was to determine which people in the community were just like you and do so for all the players on these forums so that new players could retain proper perspective.  I don't care If I come off as looking bad as well in the process (an inevitability of negative association).  The point is that the threads give people a map to the existing bias so they can better help the developers by avoiding all the crap.  Also, If I keep the negative focus of those few bad eggs then others with good ideas will have relative safety to voice their ideas.  This is how you maintain a breeding ground of innovation, to keep the crop strong so that the developers can harvest it.

Sareth that was too much much for me to read but i can assure you i will later during the day. As for Seleuceia well we go way back and I'm shocked   you can be so observant.

Clearly there are a number of mechanics that need to be worked out, however

it certainly cannot  adequately be described as matter of symmetry. While SoaSE is an RTS, it

is more importantly a 4X. As such game length and greater number of base game elements (unit roles, buildings, research...etc) is a major detractor both in popularity in the community. This makes as you describe am accurate

and fair rating systems more difficult where a DoTA match could last 20-40 min or SC match rarely going more than 2 hrs

Obviously this isn't all but my main point is every game has its own personality, knowing your preferences can help from ruining your expectations.

Also I'm a long time chess player, and there is an enormous gap between Chess (if you want to call it a TBS) and SC or SoaSE and not just because they are RTS. BTW Fischer realized randomness was a necessary element needed to continue competitive chess and that is how chess960 came out. If perhaps Deep Blue had faced Kasparov progressively in chess960, Kasparov would have been kicking it's ass to this day since the book of openings would be much larger.

I think personally that as human computer interfaces evolve the 4X gaming community will grow as the macro-management heavy SoaSE can be more seemlessly integrated with RTS like SC where quick micro is valued. In the meanwhile there is important research still being done in RTS AI and design.

and oddski gets a +1 karma

Find me a country featuring radial symmetry where conflicting forces are required to start on the exact opposite ends.