Eradica Titan Invincibility Power » Forum Post by Toneseeker

Quoting StarFallArmada,

Im still a fan of the idea of making it activate when the ship is close to death (like at 15% hull Points) but instead not die at the end but just be at that same hull points total and have all pasive regeneration disabled for some period of time. This way when facing it you have two choices. Either take its punishment so you are there tomake the kill when it ends it tantrum, or run to preserve your ships which gives it a chance to get away. I think it would have to be nerfed a little to balance its not hvaing a garenteed death, but that it could remain that last desperate act kind of power, without making it useless, cause no one wants to have to rebuild thier titan. As it is now its the most usless ability in the game, since you can just run from it (anything it is dangerous to can outrun it) and it dies after haveing acomplished little. I didnt even see it work till i fought an AI who had selected it, because neither i nor anyone ive played with ever bothers with it and just throws more points into other ability when playing Adv Rebs. With this small change it would be your last damaging stand, or a good way to escape with your almost dead titan

The more you keep saying its useless then the longer the ability will last.. 60 secs, 120 secs, 240secs..512secs.1024 secs, 2048 secs, 4096 sec, 8192 secs, 16384 secs which is around 4 and a half hours .......

Be careful what you wish for

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Definitely invisible, as in, "I was fighting this HUGE laser face thing, and then it turned very very blue and proceeded to kill me. However my captains decided they wanted to hang out at Gravity Central Cafe and left all their ships unattended. A few minutes later, the giant blue suddenly vanished, but it continued to fire lasers everywhere. Unphased by this nonsense, the captains stayed in the cafe, all the while the strike fighters fought off the bombers that kept flying out of nothing. The radar claimed the Eratica was now about to enter phase space. The Captains then played poker to decide who would get the experience, but were told no one gets anything because the Eradica didn't die in their gravity well. In fact, a star base in the neighboring gravity well registered Eradica weapons fire before communication was cut. The captains then began a rebellion."

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Quoting Yurka_Sanctuary,

reply 27

Definitely invisible, as in, "I was fighting this HUGE laser face thing, and then it turned very very blue and proceeded to kill me. However my captains decided they wanted to hang out at Gravity Central Cafe and left all their ships unattended. A few minutes later, the giant blue suddenly vanished, but it continued to fire lasers everywhere. Unphased by this nonsense, the captains stayed in the cafe, all the while the strike fighters fought off the bombers that kept flying out of nothing. The radar claimed the Eratica was now about to enter phase space. The Captains then played poker to decide who would get the experience, but were told no one gets anything because the Eradica didn't die in their gravity well. In fact, a star base in the neighboring gravity well registered Eradica weapons fire before communication was cut. The captains then began a rebellion."

+1

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I was a bit shocked when I read the duration increase numbers. I figured 75 at level 1 and 90 and level 2 would be lots and incredibly ugly when facing it as an enemy. I'm wondering if IC didn't overdo it on purpose to show how powerful it is and plan to bring back down to somewhere between the two extremes.

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Quoting Yurka_Sanctuary,

reply 27

However my captains decided they wanted to hang out at Gravity Central Cafe and left all their ships unattended.

So, you're saying you would rather have your ships waste their time and effort firing on something they can't do damage to?

My thinking on the 'invisible' part is that the ability duration and the effect duration don't line up (I keep saying it's a dumb effect anyhow. Should make it look like the trailer).

I could see potentially changing the ability such when it activates, all xp is immediately distributed. That would keep the focus on the original intent of the ability. however, the case can be made that that is the only reason why someone would keep their fleet around when it pops.

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Quoting SithLordAJ,

reply 30

So, you're saying you would rather have your ships waste their time and effort firing on something they can't do damage to?

I'm saying that if my Captains weren't so easily brainwashed by big blue lights, they could have actually launched a missile and finished that thing. And if it really was invincible, THEY COULD AT LEAST GO TO THE CAFE IN THE NEXT GRAVITY WELL. "What do you mean, the light tells us there are no incoming missiles" is not a proper way to report to your commanding officer!

The xp distribution before shiny would be good, if nothing else. Though if they suspend the Eradica's phase jumping while in shiny mode, I'd be fine with it not giving xp until it officially dies. The trailer still bothers me, I keep thinking now, "Was the Eradica so weak that it got hit once and went Genocide Mode?"

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Quoting Yurka_Sanctuary,

reply 31

I'm saying that if my Captains weren't so easily brainwashed by big blue lights, they could have actually launched a missile and finished that thing.

yes, "oh, look a ghost!" "quick! shoot it!" totally makes sense

Quoting Yurka_Sanctuary,

reply 31

And if it really was invincible, THEY COULD AT LEAST GO TO THE CAFE IN THE NEXT GRAVITY WELL.

Instead the captain stood there watching his fleet be destroyed before going on a forum to complain about it. This is known as "User Error". tell me when your ships retreat on their own? never; it doesn't happen. You could be invaded by a titan, 5 capital ships, 200 corvettes, and some carriers with only 2 scout frigates to your name. they don't run. That is your responsibility

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Quoting SithLordAJ,

reply 32

Instead the captain stood there watching his fleet be destroyed before going on a forum to complain about it. This is known as "User Error". tell me when your ships retreat on their own? never; it doesn't happen. You could be invaded by a titan, 5 capital ships, 200 corvettes, and some carriers with only 2 scout frigates to your name. they don't run. That is your responsibility

Woah, hold on. When did this start getting personal? I typed what I believed was a bug while testing and during Beta. Someone asked for clarification, so I gave it as a dramatized story. Of course you retreat your ships when the Eradica becomes invincible. Of course it's supposed to be a given that you cannot defeat the thing when it is blue. I left my forces there to test bugs about the Eradica, and I did in fact confirm one.

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Quoting Yurka_Sanctuary,

reply 33

Someone asked for clarification, so I gave it as a dramatized story.

This is probably the problem. There's about 50 different ways to interpret your story and responses. Be direct. Post stories in a thread reserved for such things, not a balance discussion. This last post was nice and clear. Earlier, I had no idea you in fact understood what was going on.

I wasn't intending to be personal, and I'm sorry if you took it that way. My intention was to break through the fog you were putting up, because every response seemed like you were in support of being able to shoot at something invulnerable.

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Sorry about running with the 'hey my Captains are playing poker" bit. I seriously didn't think anyone would take that bit seriously. However, the dramatized story was akin to a parable. It has only one point, and that was to confirm the fact that when I said 'invisible', I meant 'invisible'. The story was actually a runthrough of the exact same events [while avoiding the words 'invincible' and 'invisible'] as my earlier post that was direct. In fact, you answered the question that the post asked. The story was there to make it clear that the Eradica was invulnerable for a set time, and then turned invisible whilst staying invulnerable. It also had enough time after it changed to invisible to phase jump, engage, and kill a fully upgraded star base.

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Quoting SithLordAJ,

reply 34

every response seemed like you were in support of being able to shoot at something invulnerable.

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Quoting Yurka_Sanctuary,

reply 35

Sorry about running with the 'hey my Captains are playing poker" bit.

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Quoting RiddleKing,

reply 26

Quoting StarFallArmada, reply 23Im still a fan of the idea of making it activate when the ship is close to death (like at 15% hull Points) but instead not die at the end but just be at that same hull points total and have all pasive regeneration disabled for some period of time. This way when facing it you have two choices. Either take its punishment so you are there tomake the kill when it ends it tantrum, or run to preserve your ships which gives it a chance to get away. I think it would have to be nerfed a little to balance its not hvaing a garenteed death, but that it could remain that last desperate act kind of power, without making it useless, cause no one wants to have to rebuild thier titan. As it is now its the most usless ability in the game, since you can just run from it (anything it is dangerous to can outrun it) and it dies after haveing acomplished little. I didnt even see it work till i fought an AI who had selected it, because neither i nor anyone ive played with ever bothers with it and just throws more points into other ability when playing Adv Rebs. With this small change it would be your last damaging stand, or a good way to escape with your almost dead titan

The more you keep saying its useless then the longer the ability will last.. 60 secs, 120 secs, 240secs..512secs.1024 secs, 2048 secs, 4096 sec, 8192 secs, 16384 secs which is around 4 and a half hours .......

Be careful what you wish for

Im not wishing for it to be longer, im wishing for it to be different. And it is usless, no matter how long they make it (the joke amount of an hour aside). My post is all about changing it, not making it a longer version of the stupid it is now

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Quoting SithLordAJ,

reply 34

Quoting Yurka_Sanctuary, reply 33Someone asked for clarification, so I gave it as a dramatized story.

This is probably the problem. There's about 50 different ways to interpret your story and responses. Be direct. Post stories in a thread reserved for such things, not a balance discussion. This last post was nice and clear. Earlier, I had no idea you in fact understood what was going on.

I wasn't intending to be personal, and I'm sorry if you took it that way. My intention was to break through the fog you were putting up, because every response seemed like you were in support of being able to shoot at something invulnerable.

I dont think adding a little humor to his post hurts anything. No reason to get worked up about it.

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I personally love this thing. When it goes all bananas you either need to run or die it's a game changer and even in death it makes the enemy back off giving the rest of your fleet time to defend the lost position. There should be a level of fear involved when you see a titan in the field and you should know you are going to lose a lot of ships to stop it.

Each phase of this beta has to me made the game even better - yes more tweaks are needed but the titans add a great ebb and flow and its a lot harder to steam roll the AI once they get rolling. So far the TEC have proven very pesky.

Loving it.

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I was actually disappointed with the "Unyielding Will" visual representation, i expected it to look like in the trailer, when Eradica is hit by Coronata first time, you know blueish, semi-visible with that hexagon pattern... instead, it looks fairly shit.

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Quoting Timmaigh,

reply 41

I was actually disappointed with the "Unyielding Will" visual representation, i expected it to look like in the trailer, when Eradica is hit by Coronata first time, you know blueish, semi-visible with that hexagon pattern... instead, it looks fairly shit.

Yeh--it was a beauty in the trailer..

This ability is by far a game changer because it punishes whoever kills it and that is ok for me because its making sure it comes back with more experience points and levels gained. This titan eradicates (as its name implies) and is a powerful son of ma bitch. I don't need to remind you all just how powerful it gets with synergies offensively and defensively. A level six ability on such a titan needs to be mediocre--(at least thats what you think when your not on the recieving end)

@starfall.

You need to be bitch slapped by this ability to appreciate vengeance is a cruel mistress

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Quoting RiddleKing,

reply 42

You need to be bitch slapped by this ability to appreciate vengeance is a cruel mistress

Couldn't agree more.

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Quoting RiddleKing,

reply 42

This ability is by far a game changer because it punishes whoever kills it and that is ok for me because its making sure it comes back with more experience points and levels gained.

And the devs are forcing us to be more philosophic: to kill or not to kill, it's a problem.

And I hate philosophies... so I hate the skill. I think I prefer to be slapped by bitch instead of it. Just a joke.

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