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By on October 2, 2014 5:52:10 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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Yeah. Who do you think you are, the NSA, GCHQ, etc.? They summons any of your info they want. They hire hackers to program the most intrusive applications possible, etc.

In this post 9/11 world with news about hackers every day, sabotage of Iran’s centrifuges, Sony, Home Depot and Target data losses and you running around changing passwords everywhere, who’s going to argue?

They create laws to prove how much they honor the Fourth Amendment or your privacy…and “come down hard” on people who do…well…pretty much what they do. That’s because they maintain that when a government does it, that’s ok because it’s for your “security”.

Some of it…maybe even most of it is. But, to guard your privacy they invade yours because, if it’s ok to check Joe Blow, it’s equally ok to check you. Fair is fair.

But don’t worry: The FISA Court protects you. Sure it does.

Anyway, rant over. Today’s topic explains it all. Case in point?

“Hammad Akbar, CEO of StealthGenie, had been arrested in Los Angeles and charged with conspiracy, advertisement of a known interception device, advertising a device as a surreptitious interception device and sale of such a device. StealthGenie, which had been available on iOS, Android and BlackBerry, was known for providing an app capable of monitoring someone's calls, texts and photos, as well as tracking their location and more.” – engadget

 

 

Well, the PRC is doing it to their people and your cell phone company tracked you “to improve quality of service provided” (yeah, like anyone swallowed that one) and everyone under the sun sells your data (but doesn’t identify you actually - of course the metadata sure does), poor Hammad. He just wanted to be the NSA. I also wonder what else he did with all that information and to whom he sold it.

Sen. Al Franken maintains that, "People ought to be able to control who can access their sensitive information, and stalking apps on cellphones directly violate that principle." A lofty stand, and absolutely correct imo.

Then he went on to state, “Currently, there is no federal law banning the secret collection of location data. That's why we need to pass my legislation to ban stalking apps once and for all.” Right on, Al.

I felt like I was watching “When John, Harry, Nancy and Mitch Met The Constitution”.

You could have knocked me over with a feather. Of course there’s no such law (just as two Presidents couldn’t finish a fence): Why have a law that you write the NSA (etc.) loopholes into anyway just to tell some people, “You’re not a member of the club that I am.”?

Don’t worry. It’s just to keep you safe.

Source:

http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/crackdown-on-spying-apps-leads-to-stealthgenie-ceos-arrest/?utm_source=Feed_Classic_Full&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Engadget&?ncid=rss_full

https://news.yahoo.com/advanced-ios-virus-targeting-hong-kong-protesters-security-210741365.html

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October 2, 2014 6:54:08 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Thank you for the info and the rant Doc. 

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October 2, 2014 7:12:22 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Hmmph, we got a twat here in Oz by the name of Abbott who wants to behave like your NSA/security agencies to throw his weight around. However, instead of increasing security/improving our safety, his actions will bring more trouble to our shores than they prevent.

Many of the world's conflicts began/escalated when uninvited nations stuck their noses of the affairs/issues of others.... and this imbecile recently signed us up for a conflict we can ill-afford to be involved in. 

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October 2, 2014 9:27:59 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting starkers,

Many of the world's conflicts began/escalated when uninvited nations stuck their noses of the affairs/issues of others.... and this imbecile recently signed us up for a conflict we can ill-afford to be involved in.

We've had our noses in EVERY 'conflict' since Federation....and MOST of them long before the US got involved too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Nepean 

....and, if you like....also before the UK in the 2 biggest.

We're over there now because there are 40 misguided twits whose Aussie passports have been 'cancelled' over there on the WRONG end of the stick.

Abbott is a fuck-wit, yes...no dispute....only the rest of it.... Spell checker

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October 2, 2014 9:28:27 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Actually it probably uses part of the regular air force portion of the Oz defense budget. Good training for erasing scum.

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October 2, 2014 10:32:05 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

You probably don't need an app for that, nor the NSA.  Sony was already caught engineering a rootkit virus that would stealthily auto-install anytime you played an audio CD or DVD from Sony on a PC, and there was the pre-release Xbox One from Microsoft.  Chances are slim that Apple and other device managers don't spy on you themselves.  You plunk money down for closed-source, proprietary hardware or software, you may well have paid a corporation to spy on you.  I cannot think of any reason corporations spying on you as being any less draconian than the government.

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October 2, 2014 10:48:13 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Indeed, Chibiabos...what spurred me to write this was Uvah's link (the second in sources). I'm just tired of the "Animal Farm" mentality that all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

It's necessary to watch communications, and I understand that. It's not ok to have the FISA Court rubber stamping subpoenas for data. They should be rigorous with the requesters.

How many times have we learned about how agencies have exceeded their mandate and collected metadata not allowed? There's got to be very significant control of this to guard our freedoms. I do not live in a faerie world where everyone hugs trees. There are evil people out there who intend us harm. I just don't want people to be needlessly harmed while trying to protect the. Emphasis on NEEDLESSLY. Sometimes there are no good choices, but the better choice might be debated more.

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October 2, 2014 10:55:58 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Jafo,

We're over there now because there are 40 misguided twits whose Aussie passports have been 'cancelled' over there on the WRONG end of the stick.

 

Just because a bunch of twats go to the Middle East to do the wrong thing by fighting with terrorist organisations, shouldn't mean another bunch of innocent Aussies be placed in harms way.  The simpler solution is to completely disown them, to revoke their Aussie citizenship and cancel their passports, thus making them stateless and unable to return...ever... regardless of country of origin/born here or not.

With a bit of luck somebody kills the fucks and then they're nobody's problem, but our men and women do NOT belong there to somehow balance the books.  If Abbott and his cronies want to send someone as cannon fodder/targets for terrorist, then let he and his government go in as combatants. 

In fact, it should be mandatory that every nation engaging in war has to send a couple hundred of its top politicians, its leaders included, to the battlefields to dodge bullets.  We may then see peace in our lifetimes.

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October 2, 2014 11:07:54 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting starkers,

In fact, it should be mandatory that every nation engaging in war has to send a couple hundred of its top politicians, its leaders included, to the battlefields to dodge bullets.

Tis easier to thread a camel through the eye of a needle....

[camel reference sorta fits].

If I was in charge I would have sent in a couple of SAS to 'remove' them.   Much less paperwork than revoking passports...

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October 2, 2014 11:27:40 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Jafo,

have sent in a couple of SAS to 'remove' them

Only sensible decision. If they wish to fight with the terrorists then they should be prepared to die like them. Here or there.

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October 2, 2014 12:00:09 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting starkers,

Just because a bunch of twats go to the Middle East to do the wrong thing by fighting with terrorist organisations, shouldn't mean another bunch of innocent Aussies be placed in harms way. 

Remember that you said that when you're in that second group...

Oh wait...seems to me that a few of those wonderful people have been arrested in Australia after getting orders to shorten Australians by a head.

All of which really doesn't relate to the topic of the OP.

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October 2, 2014 9:28:42 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,

Quoting starkers,
reply 7

Just because a bunch of twats go to the Middle East to do the wrong thing by fighting with terrorist organisations, shouldn't mean another bunch of innocent Aussies be placed in harms way.

Remember that you said that when you're in that second group...

Thing is, Doc, Abbott jumped in boots n' all to get Australia involved in another overseas conflict, and in doing so he increased the potential for terrorist attacks on home soil, in retaliation.  Now I do not have a problem with appropriate actions to deal with terrorists on home soil, but I do object to our young men and woment being sent into conflicts that are none of our business.

As for twats wanting to go fight with terrorists, have them summarily executed at the airport/exit point.... saves all that other crap and fighting stocks will dwindle.   Other than that, Oz should stay out of it.

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October 2, 2014 10:03:42 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting starkers,

but I do object to our young men and woment being sent into conflicts that are none of our business.

ALL conflicts Australians have died in have been equally 'none of our business'....the ONLY difference more recently is we are now autonomous and are not simply despensible cannon fodder for the British.

Remember, unlike almost every other country on the planet....Australia has NOT had its own civil war where people die 'internally'.

We have NEVER shirked our responsibilities towards others less fortunate/safe/whatever....nor will we.

Australians aren't fervent flag-wavers [unless it's some dopey football team].... we just do what's right....because it's right.

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October 2, 2014 10:09:32 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Re Australians dying in 'terrorist attacks'.... you name the place/event....and Aussies died, be it 9/11 ....Bali....Malaysian flight MH17 .... London bombing -2005......et al.

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October 2, 2014 10:41:53 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Jafo,

Quoting starkers,
reply 11

but I do object to our young men and woment being sent into conflicts that are none of our business.

ALL conflicts Australians have died in have been equally 'none of our business'....the ONLY difference more recently is we are now autonomous and are not simply despensible cannon fodder for the British.

And that's why it needs to stop....if the US, Britain want to go sticking their noses into other peoples business, let them, but leave us out of it. 

We are not the world's policemen.

We have enough internal issues of our own for fuck sake... an increasing crime rate; increasing drug use/addiction; increasing poverty; etc, etc, etc, and we're not doing such a great job combatting any of that, so I say we clean up our own backyard before we go digging out weeds in others.

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October 2, 2014 10:59:39 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Jafo,

Quoting starkers,

but I do object to our young men and woment being sent into conflicts that are none of our business.



ALL conflicts Australians have died in have been equally 'none of our business'....the ONLY difference more recently is we are now autonomous and are not simply despensible cannon fodder for the British.

Remember, unlike almost every other country on the planet....Australia has NOT had its own civil war where people die 'internally'.

We have NEVER shirked our responsibilities towards others less fortunate/safe/whatever....nor will we.

Australians aren't fervent flag-wavers [unless it's some dopey football team].... we just do what's right....because it's right.

And the rest of the free world should be grateful for that fact.

@ starkers. In a conflict free world, that sort of idealism would work. In the real world, free people come to the aid of their fellow man.  Living on an island can be a bit reckless unless you have a Navy larger than any other world power. and having some friends with some big farking gunboats won't hurt either. (The point being, someday, others may be called to your country to help fight a battle that is not theirs. We yanks can and will fight and die alongside you Aussies.) That isolationist crap about kicked our ass in WWII, we Americans know better now.

Well, most of us anyway.

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October 2, 2014 11:10:34 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting starkers,

We have enough internal issues of our own for fuck sake... an increasing crime rate; increasing drug use/addiction; increasing poverty; etc, etc, etc, and we're not doing such a great job combatting any of that, so I say we clean up our own backyard before we go digging out weeds in others.

Same can be said for the US ....though like Texas....everything's on a larger scale...

 

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October 2, 2014 11:21:30 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Wizard1956,

That isolationist crap about kicked our ass in WWII, we Americans know better now.

Australia wasn't 'isolationist' back then....it was isolat-ed.

Then along came 202 bombing raids on Darwin...and more on Broome, etc, and 'isolated' wasn't what it used to be.

Pearl Harbour had 'one' attack....but 'just' one attack on Darwin killed more and sank more shipping....then there were 201 more.

Like it or not, we're no longer protected by 'the Tyranny of Distance'. [it's a book by Geoffrey Blainey] The world is now at our doorstep....

 

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October 3, 2014 12:35:50 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Okay, people, I'll put it another way. There are no winners in war.... just casualties; there is no just war.... just victims; there has never been a war to benefit mankind as a whole.... just the wealthy, and war destroys/divides families, and therefore I hate war and all it represents.

 

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October 3, 2014 3:31:24 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I forgot who said better to fight them over there rather than at home. Freedom is not 'free'. You either fight for it or live in a cage. Many countries had to fight to be free, to be independent, to throw off the yoke of oppression. No one country can afford to be isolationist. That's an open invitation to those who will believe you are weak and unconcerned with your fellows. Lets not forget ISIS has threatened not only those who live in the middle east but others as well. The UK, America, Australia. Russia, Chechnya whose leaders have vowed to destroy them, China, Iran, Turkey, Lbya, Syria, Qatar, the UAE, and others. They are a global threat and only a global response will end that threat. Allies, once enemies, have joined in the fight. No one can say its none of our business, its everyone's business. You want to kill a snake you cut off its head. Its time to cut off that head. My two cents. 

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October 3, 2014 5:31:40 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting starkers,

in doing so he increased the potential for terrorist attacks on home soil, in retaliation.

Unfortunately, that's a common misimpression. Their particular 'grievance list' and 'war' relates to everyone not exactly like them whether you have blue eyes or green. That is clear since Australia did nothing to cause the activation of their cells on your soil.

The very fact that they had cells in Australia should tell you something about their intentions. Australia? Didn't have a single cell in Iraq to 'provoke'.

Believe me: It's enough that you breathe and that you are not part of their cult.

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October 3, 2014 8:55:07 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,

Believe me: It's enough that you breathe and that you are not part of their cult.
The misconception that religions and "pursuit of peace" have been the cause of most wars is a testament to the folly of deductive social doctrine.

Human nature is egocentric, but the argument that "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" is altruistic avarice fostered as compassion.

Greed is the root of all conflict.  Keeping what is "mine" is primary to the concept of "inalienable", but the truth is nothing is inalienable because everything comes from without.

Quoting Uvah,

No one can say its none of our business, its everyone's business. You want to kill a snake you cut off its head. Its time to cut off that head. My two cents.
The head of the snake can't just be cleanly cut off, it has to be crushed.  And while it is foreseen, the writhing of the body and tail is still going to take place.

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October 3, 2014 9:16:43 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Uvah,

I forgot who said better to fight them over there rather than at home. Freedom is not 'free'. You either fight for it or live in a cage. Many countries had to fight to be free, to be independent, to throw off the yoke of oppression. No one country can afford to be isolationist. That's an open invitation to those who will believe you are weak and unconcerned with your fellows. Lets not forget ISIS has threatened not only those who live in the middle east but others as well. The UK, America, Australia. Russia, Chechnya whose leaders have vowed to destroy them, China, Iran, Turkey, Lbya, Syria, Qatar, the UAE, and others. They are a global threat and only a global response will end that threat. Allies, once enemies, have joined in the fight. No one can say its none of our business, its everyone's business. You want to kill a snake you cut off its head. Its time to cut off that head. My two cents. 

 

that's not going to happen. let's not forget who was a major part in the creation of Al-Qaeda and who supported jihadists in Bosnia and still does so in Chechnya.

there's already a new legend being built with that so-called clandestine and "far more dangerous" Khorasan outfit, now that the Daesh (IS, ISIS, whatever) did become too annoying there's something new required.

the real goal is to attack Syria and Iraq. well played Obama, i have to admit that.

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October 3, 2014 9:50:49 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Protoplazm,

the truth is nothing is inalienable because everything comes from without.

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October 3, 2014 11:40:40 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

For whatever its worth. More than a hundred years ago the middle east was taken over by certain western powers looking to control something not theirs. Seeking to take what clearly did not belong to them. Land, oil, and what have you. Today is the direct result of all that foreign intervention. Not defending the extremists, no way, but you have to stop and think about why they feel the way they do. You invade my home I'm gonna do whatever it takes to kick you out. That's exactly what they tried to do all those years ago and failed.

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October 3, 2014 12:09:37 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Protoplazm,

Greed is the root of all conflict.

Wish it was that simple or straightforward.  Alas...

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