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Symantec sticks Microsoft with law suit...

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Symantec sticks Microsoft with law suit...

Trying to halt Vista...

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,125775,00.asp#
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An aritcle on www.pcworld.com talks about Symantec suing Mircosoft to stop development of Vista...
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Reply #26 from WinCustomize Forums Top
If this was such a big problem, why did Veritas not sue Microsoft before they were bought?


As I read it, Microsoft & Veritas had a mutual agreement about the sharing of certain technologies.

I wouldn't be surprised if Symantec bought Veritas so they'd have some type of excuse to sue Microsoft.


It wouldn't surprise me either....Symantec saw the direction MS was taking with security in Vista, became scared and saw an opprtunity to thwart the project with claims of illegal intellectual property use. Had Symantec actually created it, I could see some legitemacy to their claim, but seeing as it was created prior to the purchase of Veritas, and MS's existing agreement, I hope the suit fails miserably, at enormous cost to Symantec.

If time is money..Symantec owes me big time. Anyone wanna start a class action suit against em for time lost?


Haven't got the money to start it, but I'd jump on the bandwagon to help increase that enormous cost
Reply #27 from WinCustomize Forums Top
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Reply #28 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Microsoft CEO, Steve Ballmer is confident that Symantec's suit will not delay Vista.....http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6074778.html.

Certainly hope not....MS delays to release a better OS is one thing, but due to Symantec's sniveling would be unacceptable.
Reply #29 from WinCustomize Forums Top

To be fair, clearly there are people out there that are totally happy with Symantec and their products......

There are also Martians....

Fairies....

Good dietary reasons NOT to nuke Macdonalds.....

Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top

....MS delays to release a better OS is one thing, but due to Symantec's sniveling would be unacceptable.

How can you tell the difference?

Reply #31 from WinCustomize Forums Top
How can you tell the difference?


The delays or the sniveling?

Delays....that'd be MS trying to release a stable/functional OS

Sniveling....that'd be the complainant (in this case) whining about future lost business.

Given Symantec's propensity to trash people's systems....seems they're doing a good enough job without MS contributing there.

Seems they're all at it!! Creative and Apple are also in court over a portable music technologies dispute....http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2156532/apple-countersues-creative.
Reply #32 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Hah the Apple/Creative dispute is a lot more interesting. The way I see it, Apple created the UI for the iPod, but never got a patent for it. Creative, uh, got 'inspired' by the Apple UI, and created their own version and did get a patent. So now Creative can sue Apple.

This'll learn ya' for tha next time Apple!
Reply #33 from WinCustomize Forums Top
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Reply #34 from WinCustomize Forums Top
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Reply #36 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Researchers: Antivirus Software Has Flaw

By TED BRIDIS

WASHINGTON (AP) - Symantec Corp. (SYMC)'s leading antivirus software, which protects some of the world's largest corporations and U.S. government agencies, suffers from a flaw that lets hackers seize control of computers to steal sensitive data, delete files or implant malicious programs, researchers said Thursday.

Symantec said it was investigating the issue but could not immediately corroborate the vulnerability. If confirmed, the threat to computer users would be severe because the security software is so widely used, and because no action is required by victims using the latest versions of Norton Antivirus to suffer a crippling attack over the Internet.

Symantec has boasted its antivirus products are installed on more than 200 million computers. A spokesman, Mike Bradshaw, said the company was examining the reported flaw but described it as "so new that we don't have any details."

Researchers from eEye Digital Security Inc. of Aliso Viejo, Calif., discovered the vulnerability and provided evidence to Symantec engineers this week, said eEye's chief hacking officer, Marc Maiffret. He demonstrated the attack for The Associated Press.

Maiffret's company - which has discovered hundreds of similar flaws in other software products - also produces intrusion-protection software, called "Blink," that he said already blocks such attacks and can operate alongside Symantec's antivirus products.

Maiffret published a note about the company's discovery on its Web site but pledged not to reveal details publicly that would help hackers attack Internet users until after Symantec repairs its antivirus software. eEye said it intends to describe the problem in detail privately for some of its largest customers.

"People shouldn't panic," Maiffret said. "There shouldn't be any exploits until a patch is produced."

The reported flaw comes at an awkward time for Symantec. Its chief executive, John Thompson, has campaigned in recent months to convince consumers they should trust Symantec - not Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) - to protect their personal information.

Maiffret said eEye's testing showed the problem affects Norton Antivirus Version 10, including its corporate editions. He said Symantec's current security suite - which includes both antivirus and firewall features - did not appear to be vulnerable.

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Reply #37 from WinCustomize Forums Top
well... interesting, now isnt't it?

I think this and other stuff will delay Vista until late Summer 2007 if that.
Reply #38 from WinCustomize Forums Top
The reported flaw comes at an awkward time for Symantec. Its chief executive, John Thompson, has campaigned in recent months to convince consumers they should trust Symantec - not Microsoft Corp.


Awwwww....poor Symantec! I'm glad it has come at at awkward time for them....trying to sabotage 'probably' the most important release of Windows to date.

As for Symantec convincing users to trust them over MS, they're not going to do that with the multitude who've had their systems slushed up by resource hogging, invasive software that breaks BITS and much more.

Furthermore, if Symantec has any regard for its customers, it needs to clean up its act with regards to customer relations, technical support....to resolve the communication/language barriers with the majority of users not being able to understand tech support staff. It's not the fault of the Indian or Pakistani workers, but that of Symantec....they should have envisaged such issues and taken more appropriate steps for consumers to begin with.

Since my discontinuing the use of NAV/NIS, and my sister having issues with it, all my PC using family members and various friends have switched to other products, so Symantec's market share is diminishing, if somewhat slowly, and I doubt they'll get too much sympathy or support with their claim against MS from similarly dissatisfied people worldwide.
Reply #39 from WinCustomize Forums Top
needs to clean up its act with regards to customer relations, technical support....to resolve the communication/language barriers with the majority of users not being able to understand tech support staff. It's not the fault of the Indian or Pakistani workers, but that of Symantec....they should have envisaged such issues and taken more appropriate steps for consumers to begin with.


Well said! We are, after all, a global community. I once got a call center in Delhi, couldn't understand quite, had to switch to "street" Urdu I'd picked up there, and issue was resolved...tech was very knowledgeable, just not fluent. Appropriate steps in this case being English fluency at an Engl.-language redirect.
Reply #40 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Furthermore, without MS OSes, Symantec would be a security software manufacturer/ developer with few or no places to go....seems insane Symantec would bite the hand....

Despite the security measures being built into Vista, there will be users who prefer to remain with Norton/Symantec.....those who cannot afford Vista....those whose machines cannot accomodate Vista, can't afford to upgrade.

Seems to me, given worldwide anticipation of Vista, Symantec will lose supporters with this law suit against MS....biting the hand...disillusioning consumers who await Vista with bated breath.
Reply #41 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Microsoft will more than likely lose.. And then not oppose. I don't think they care much for stuff like this and challenging it, even if unfair.

Either way, Symantec software is horrible, buggy and conflicting as heck with any windows version.

Good thing I use Computer Associates as recommended by someone on WinCustomize.com long ago when I was looking for an alternative to Symantec software.
Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
It's tough for me to decide who to root for here as I despise both of them.
Reply #43 from WinCustomize Forums Top

It's tough for me to decide who to root for here as I despise both of them.

It ain't 'tough' for me.  The 'Win' in 'Wincustomize' stands for 'Windows' aka Microsoft's OS [plural].

It's quite pointless to 'despise' the provider of the [vast majority of] Operating Systems in use, but, on the other hand it's not all that 'difficult' to 'point the bone' at Symantec when the latter's record is somewhat less than exemplary.  It seems NAV can do as much to harm a machine as to help it...

Reply #44 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Microsoft will more than likely lose..


I certainly hope not....MS is by far the lesser of two evils, looking at it from a software perspective.

Ms seems to be trying to do the right thing in producing a stable, functional and more pleasing to the eye OS with Vista, whereas Symantec throws out lines of buggy code that's far too invasive and frequently detrimental to users machines.

My bread's best buttered with MS products, as opposed to Symantec's, so IF the latter wins this one, I sincerely hope the world boycotts their products in protest of the Vista interference and NAV/NIS, etc, get flushed into the sewers where they belong.
Reply #45 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Just thought I'd add a couple more links to articles on the subject....

It seems some industry analysts think Symantec is punching above its weight in taking on the world's software leader...that MS's entry into the security market could spell Armageddon for some PC security companies.

In other words, Symantec's chances are like those of a snowball's in Hell.

http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4379/53/

http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4479/53/
Reply #46 from WinCustomize Forums Top
i'm having bumper stickers made that say 'symantec screwed my PC!'. Any interest?

i was a norton cheerleader until last summer, when the lastest internet security twisted three of my computers inside out. Coupled with systemworks de-evolving... MS -is- continuing to upgrade windows to the point where a user does not need norton. AND THEY SHOULD!! the OS maker has a right to perfect his software so that their customer doens't need to buy additional software. I hope symantec crashes and burns.

( and death to real player.. )
Reply #47 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Could be that Symantec is inwardly conceding defeat in its suit against Microsoft ....http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4499/53/....in that the Norton 360 suite being developed for XP also includes provision/development for the upcoming VISTA. With that being so, Symantec cannot be too confident in preventing MS releasing Vista in its current configuration.
Reply #48 from WinCustomize Forums Top
So let me get this straight now...

One Company that can't write software worth a damn that has a million bugs (Symantec) is suing ANOTHER company that can't write software worth a damn that has a million bugs. I say we all just sit here and watch for entertainment purposes...
Reply #49 from WinCustomize Forums Top
The 'Win' in 'Wincustomize' stands for 'Windows'


Right on. Reality-check. Works for me. McAfee the better a/v program of the two for me, with AdAware/AdWatch running too. I figure I'm probably 60%-70% covered against pests. Would wish for a/v to be included in OS, but that's just wishing...maybe a nice toxic shell for the OS, now, thet would be o.k.
Reply #50 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I say we all just sit here and watch for entertainment purposes...


What....and have fun at others' expense? But then again, I'm gonna enjoy seeing Symantec go down in a screaming heap. They've got 3 chances...Buckley's, none and f-all of winning against MS, bit off more than they can chew this time.

Would wish for a/v to be included in OS,


Not exactly in XP or Vista, but the proposed Windows Firewall update will be much improved...then there's 'One Care Live'...not included in the OS as such, but it's keeping your Windows/Security updates with the one vendor and less invasive than NIS/McAfee. Think I'll be going that way when it becomes available in Oz.

Bye, bye Symantec.