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Beta Frigs... a sad reality

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Beta Frigs... a sad reality

from Sins Forums
I know its the beta and a lot of material is unreleased. but to be perfectly clear:
there are NOT enough frigates//the frigates are not powerful enough to warrant much attention in the beta. most of the time I almost completely ignore them. the kodiac frigate (nearly the only frigate worth noticing) is far too high up on the research chart to look at with a forward eye, so I'm just gonna say this straight out
we need a better and more viable frig in the beta. otherwise theres little point to constructing frigs (well, excluding some scout swarms)
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Reply #26 from Sins Forums Top
The gauss cannons is pretty ridiculous strong for its price. If you guys are really throwing hundreds of frigates around i think maybe you are not attacking early enough because you can win the game with much fewer.
Reply #27 from Sins Forums Top
keep in mind, the cannons don't really have that huge a firing radius.

A decent sized fleet commanded by a human would easily break through and attack the planet where there aren't any pesky cannons.
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Reply #28 from Sins Forums Top
A decent fleet commanded by a human player would easily takeout the guns by consolidated firepower.
Reply #29 from Sins Forums Top
Spartan: It would be seriously imbalanced if you couldn't, given how cheap gauss cannons are. I will even say they're designed for that; Sins major limitation to concentrated firepower is shield mitigation, and modules have no shields.

If anything I think cannons are too tough - they are cheaper than a frigate, and a single cannon can put up a credible duel with a low level capital ship!

They are of course limited in firing area, but there are so many things around a planet that an attacking fleet must destroy, like PSIs and hangars.

Asteroids are small enough so that gauss cannons in minimum 'orbit' can threaten ships attacking from the other side...!

Reply #30 from Sins Forums Top
yeah, even I admit they are overpowered. I regularly create a wall of them at my homeplanet, fortifying that with another wall and fighters. its not a pretty sight for my enemy (all of their ships die within seconds of exiting phasespace)
Reply #31 from Sins Forums Top
Those issues are easily over come. I set the cost to 500 credits, 75 metal & crystals. I also boosted the hull points to 4k as well as doubled the regen and increased the range to 8k. It is good now - I think. The AI is using them quite nicely. The placement still sucks but the extended range helps it a lot. I'm even thinking of extending it to 9k. I'll just have to restrain myself regarding my placements.

Update: I set the burst count to 5 (looks cool) and the delay to .2.
Reply #32 from Sins Forums Top
If anything, I think the cannons fire to slowly. I'd suggest a higher RoF, with less damage. (maybe it fires both barrels seperatly)

As for it being to strong...remember that in a sustained siege, you will be able to pump out frigates a lot faster then the enemy can with defences (unlike in C&C3). Building time should be taken in before calling balance issues. It is probably to strong though.
Reply #33 from Sins Forums Top
With the current settings I'm using I think things are good. I will extend the range to 8500 for tactical reasons yet to further help the AI regarding defensive placement.
Reply #34 from Sins Forums Top
logically speaking when comparing a gauss to a frigate... if the gauss has a small firing range and is immobile, it makes sense that it would cost less, i like gauss cannons as they are atm

if you want to protect a certain system, put a small fleet there
Reply #35 from Sins Forums Top
The AI doesn't use them in mass numbers, and deploying them early drives up your upkeep a lot.
Reply #36 from Stardock Forums Top
You should re-address you strategy then. 20 capital ships won't do much against a proper fleet of frigates in a MP game


W[ell Im soo Sorry that you think that BTW I know that this quote is old but I took a look at it and I just have to say this you are soo wrong about that. and further more if any of you think 20 caps is big try 194 cap class ships now grant it I also have about 300 to 400 frigs so I'm not going to say that I agree with the guy that started this thred but I'm shure as HE11 not going to say that he is wrong

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Reply #38 from Sins Forums Top
ahahahahahahaha
where do you find these things kosc...
Reply #39 from Sins Forums Top
@Schem - Kosc is FARKer!
Reply #40 from Sins Forums Top
That's awesome.