capital ship subsystems?

Maybe something targetable by bombers?

they'd be nice , but to me there are a lot of other things I'd prefer before this...

I agree that implementing some sort of subsystems for CapShips would add an interesting tactic to fleet battles, but would spamming CapShip weapons become too commonplace and detract from gameplay?

I have separate reservations about capturing CapShips outright, the timer to effectively capture a CapShip should be long enough for the CapShip owner to implement some sort of defensive operations to repel the invading marines. This could be tied to research and even CapShip abilities (the defense against ship capture), although this could also be the same for the CapShip boarding party...

Thinking about subsystems again, adding the element of subterfuge for CapShip subsystems a la getting a spy on board an enemy ship, could be an interesting addition to espionage...

yes but nwhat ships would take over a cap ship a frigate? i think that is stupid cos with a frigate you maby have 100 men. on a cap ship you may have 3000 men soooo let me think who would win? then your frig would probably be takes by the cap ship. A counter att. And maby you could have a virus reaserch that infects the computers on ships like bsg. But that would be gay if your ships couldent fire at all maby you could have it where it cant fire for a min.

and with subsystems maby you cant target them but depending on where you hit the ship (randomly) it hits the subsystem and disables it or makes it half as effective. Or insted of hp you have like hit meters like star trek legacy. And like if one of your outo cannons gets hit badly it can be blown off and the only way of getting it back is going for repaires. I think that would be more realistic like on games your main turret can get hit by like 50 nukes and still operate and that is stupid.

[qoute]and with subsystems maby you cant target them but depending on where you hit the ship (randomly) it hits the subsystem and disables it or makes it half as effective. [/qoute] That is what i thought as well. But maybe there could be some way to disable vessels without blowing them up completly.

And regarding boarding, either there could be dedicated boarding vessels, and/or i imagine at least the larger vessels have contingents of a regular fighting force, thus making boarding actions smaller fights aboard the ship in question.

I sub systems aren't a bad idea, able to take out the engines of a ship would stop it moving, and would reduce the damage of the weapon systems, not sure about boarding parties mind, the Advent hopefully will be able to use abilities to capture ships, and really should be the only race that can, to set all the races apart, they all need different strengths and weaknesses, and different skills that the other races don't have, at least that is my view

No. No. NO! Its already been there, done that with Homeworld 2, and not very well i might add.

In the grand scale of what the developers have in mind you wont have time to micromanage subsystem combat with as many fleets as i believe there will be once the Vasari, and Advent are added into the game. You can micro only one of those fleets at a time. While the AI will have to manage the rest of them unless you franticly jump between fleets. I personally dont want to deal with subsystems as well on top of that. This is supposed to be a game of grand strategy. Not single fleet battle tactics like in Homeworld.


The AI (not the pirate AI) in its present condition can barely handle fights (if you can call them fights). If subsystems are tossed in it just might fry the AI beyond all redemption.

If i wanted to play Homeworld 2 all i have to do is load my disk's and play Homeworld 2. I want something different.

I'm on the fence on this issue. As pointed out by MS, I need to experience the full application before deriving a conclusion. In principle I support the idea but I think the execution for a game of this nature may take away from the player experience.

Yeah, this has been brought up several times before and there won't be sub-systems in Sins.

Well arn't they kind of allready in? The special weapons of some ships target a range of stuff from (sorry I cant remember the names of the abilities!) that one that completely cripples a ships movement, shields and guns, to the one that I THINK that robot frigate has of hindering movement?

I know its not really the same as targetable subsystems but its not bad considering the scale of the game. Also I'm not sure how useful it would be in anything other than one on one or small scale engagements because when the fighting gets heavier ships dont last all that long away, so the ability to take out a specific system isnt that important when the things just gonna explode in a few seconds anyway.

However, having said that nexus: the jupiter incident, I thought, handled subsystems really well but then again it was a lot harder to destroy ships in that game.

Anyway my 2 cents

When you have hundreds of frigates, subsystems become irrelevant. The hundreds of frigates become your immediate focus, and not their engines.

Besides, that robotics cruiser can disable some things already. Use it on capital ships.

Nexus was focusng on a management of a small task force (9 ships max iirc) so the ship systems could afford to be more detailed. In Sins we got warfare on a galactic scale, with 10s to 100s of ships present in any given combat. The amount of firepower you can bring to bear on a target completly negates any usefulness of separating out the subsystems.

I said that

I think the ST:Armada system is about as complex as you could get in SINS.

and it would be great

i like it on armarda when one of ur engines get blown of that looks soo cool

yes, the armada system would be the maximum that should be implemented and would be fairly cool, precisely because - as has been brought up - in the kind of huge engagements we are dealing with here, targeting subsystems is not and should not be the focus. subsystems are a wonderful idea - for a different kind of game.