Ice clouds and hyper research stations

well, before I even read it, NO! dont think like freelancer!

I really don't think that sins should have a super end all kind of ship, it just winds up ruining the game...

your other ideas are good though

Too bad worm holes don't exist in real life... I think it should be left out to make the game as realistic as possible.

"Realism" seldom makes for a fun game. As evidenced by the fact that ships have to thrust constantly to achieve steady speed, and decelerate if they reduce thrust, and don't have to turn their aft towards the enemy to slow down.


I, for one, welcome the idea of Super-Dreadnaught or Monitor classed vessels.

Never pretend that we know the universe we live in. Physics has continually proved there is always something new.

Heck how far has man really been into space....the moon. Thats not even a footstep when you can imagine just the 100,000 lys across our galaxy. We dont even have a vague idea of the size of the universe, it could be infinite or finite. There are many arguements on both sides of the fence.

With science, there is always some new phenomenon or old concept corrected.

The best thing about Sci-fi games is you can just make it up to add to the fun factor. Either way I believe this to be one of the best space "empire" sims out here.

Since when don't they exist in real life?

Maybe not star-ship sized ones (and definitely not stable ones), but IIRC the basic phenomena does exist.

Do not confuse sci-fi, Theories and known reality.
There is no observational evidence for wormholes. Wormholes are not excluded within the framework of general relativity, but the physical plausibility of the needed solutions is uncertain. They exist currently as a interesting possibility and in now very popular in sci-fi terms and plot devices. . but that does not mean in any way that they are a probability or even exist.
Saying that this IS fiction SIN's could easily use them. . but they are getting rather cliché . .

lol, have any other theories for making objects travel randomly across space that aren't cliche?

Look ta erog we are still deciding over what dimension we are in (some say there are around 13) so to rule out any sci-fi theory is impossible. That's the whole thing about sci-fi, its just theories from anyone coming to life. It may be in books or cinimatography, at one point in time, it was just an idea from some guy. But I will agree that you cannot comfirm or deny it.

And just because the wormholes idea is overused or "cliche" dosen't mean that its just a stupid idea.

Cool, down . . you may want to read my post again . .

"Do not confuse sci-fi, Theories and known reality.
There is no observational evidence for wormholes. Wormholes are not excluded within the framework of general relativity, but the physical plausibility of the needed solutions is uncertain. They exist currently as a interesting possibility and in now very popular in sci-fi terms and plot devices. . but that does not mean in any way that they are a probability or even exist.
Saying that this IS fiction SIN's could easily use them. . but they are getting rather cliché . ."

Sci-fi = subset of Fantasy Fiction = does not have to follow any rules of our reality at all . . Make-believe. Some sci-fi ideas have been realized, but a great majority has not. This makes sense since sci-fi mirrors current culture and knowledge - what we aspire to and what we guess can be done.
A “sci-fi” theory does not really exist and may be also termed pseudoscience, a theory requires (read below)

Science/scientific Theories/Theoretical Theories = Based on observation and testing. Testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind. Theoretical Theory = theory but has not yet been adequately tested by observation or experiment - Given other Theories a Theoretical has a chance (often better then average since other Theories may hint of outcome) to become a “real” scientific Theory once observations/experiments have been completed.

Known reality = the raw observable universe. Science is our way of describing/understanding what we can observe.

Wormholes are theorized to be possible given the current model. They have not been observed, they have a greater chance of not existing then existing even under the best conditions theorized. An artificial possibility is probably a better bet but still beyond anything but speculation. Also if the current model changes (and it should) the change could easily invalidate them.

They are currently HEAVILY used in sci-fi because plain faster then light travel is now passé. Such heavy use may be considered cliché at this time.

Now, did any of that seem like an attack? Calling it a stupid idea? Say they do not exist????
I just stated some facts, explained some points, validated that SIN’s being sci-fi could very well use them, and gave a short opinion that I find them currently cliché and SIN’s may be able to - - come up with something fresh??

now count to 10 and hit the reset button.

lol, I wasnt getting mad or anything, just wondering if you actually had a better idea

Sorry, That was directed at the other post (my bad for not highlighting that) . . Herm movement? not off the top of my head but then again There are all sorts of strange enomilies a fresh sci-fi writer could think up.
Here are a bunch less used.
A micro black hole.
A planetary system in a rosette (5 planets or 5 mini suns all orbiting each other . . no need for a central orbiting mass)
A neutron star system with planets.
A rouge planet
A supper massive planet
A rosette small black holes that could be used as a dimensional slingshot. (artifact - gets around the singularity problem) or just a massive alien observatory (gravitational lens)
Various Funky nebulae - force slow movement, damaging, and so on
Etc . .
There is allot of rich sci-fi out there and more being made all of the time we do not have to rehash the primetime ones to death.

lol, but anything that isn't primetime needs an explanation, so then they have to use time to make up that explanation... although if we had someone smart out there that could make up some really good technobabble the devs would prolly consider it...

Take a grain of sand and hold it up to the night sky.

This is the area that the Hubble has photographed for one entire week.

In those pictures you can make out millions upon millions of galaxys/stars/planets.

That is one grain of sand! And that is also only as far as light has currently traveled far enough for us to see from earth. The possibilities are endless.

Also, in 1898 some famous scientist said that everything that could be invented had been invented...

...NO SUPER SHIP. im not saying this to be a flamer or anything but if you look at gc ull steadily notice you really only need one class of ship. if u add a super ship u just get the same problem.

...Mining clouds. This could be intresting. sort of along the lines of recourses in gc. only a little more thought out.

...worm holes...cliche yes...intresting concept definatly. Example. Your stuck in a stale mate. next thing u no worm hole opens up and u have a small raiding fleet pummeling your central worlds. Although this would eventualy get annoying.

...fact behind worm holes...just like everything else you really cant prove disprove however i am willing to say if you can warp space( wich is not proved but is agreed upon by many of the leading members of the physics comunity to be possable) then why couldnt the univers itself warp space into some sort of a worm hole( wich if one considers it would almost have to be some form or another of warped space)

all good ideas though if properly thought out and ballenced

Although this might sound a bit strange, one of the reasons I really enjoyed watching Babylon 5 was the inclusion of inertia. However, there's no sound in space so that was a bummer.

Lurker, I must respectfully disagree.


I want super-ships. I want a super-dreadnought classed vessel that will make my enemies *bleep* their brown pants.

I'm not: there was a documentary on Discovery a while back. I don't remember all of the details, or I'd bring them up.

I do remember from my Physics class that FTL communication is certainly 100% possible... I don't remember the exact terms, but sub-atomic particles from the same atom will orbit in different "lobes" of the atom. And if one particle moves from its lobe, the other half of the pair will instantly flip, even if they've somehow been separated from each other. This is the basis of the theoretical ansible technology -- an FTL com that can exist right now.

True, a German scientist made music transmission FTL.

Anyway, every space game so far has been a mix of sci-fi, theories and known facts so I don't know why this one would be any different. It is already like that.

I'm not going to bother reading watever everyone else has commented so if someones already said this, too bad:

Ice clouds yes, i like the idea, as well as having more asteroids, comets, space dust and bodies of frozen material other than H2O. Too many people assume that space is empty except for planets moons and stars, but it is not.

Also wreckage from the destruction of ships and orbital facilities is a must have. I havent seen any rings on any of the ingame planets. And what about binary star systems? Gas planets? Planets so close or so far from their stars that they are inhabitable? What about roaming asteroids, nomad planets? And debris in orbit should over time form a ring, and eventually, a satilite (as in moon) if the debris is not collected and reused. What about Supernovas? Blackholes? Could there be an ultimate weapon that turns stars into supernovas, decimating tn entire solar system?

All of this should be in the game or at least most of it. It really adds depth to a game, especially when your in the middle of a battle, and a comet strays too close for comfort.

Okay, now lets see... hyper research starion, or something else that gives someone a clear advantage. No, no, and hell no.

Wormholes. I dunno. You already have hyperspacing. Why would you want to go into a wormhole that leads to heck who knows where?

Yes, that is exactly correct . . Before I moved to software QA, I studied film . . (ya what a jump ) and with screen writing this was always a problem/challenge. Use something in the popular mind and not have to explain or come up with something innovative and have to explain or expect a higher level suspension of disbelief (which varies from person to person). But what was found is that sci-fi starts with a rather high level of suspension of disbelief factor and fans tend dislike too much techno babble. (even though books have been made on it UG) But “normal” audiences tend to be rather fical and if something is confusing they shut down quickly. The most important thing is to be Self consistent. . if you make a convention stick to it and do not contradict it! That inconsistency tends to blow stories. .

Do not believe periodicals with short blurbs on tech advances . . Most of that drivel is over done and misleading.
for example “Teleportation possible, Star trek here we come, tests going on now!!!” Read into the article or research the origonal paper and you find that a long theorized test has been devised to attempt to transport a single particle. When asked, the scientist said this test has yet to be done, it could only happen with in very narrow conditions IF possible and could not be used to transport anything But a single particle. But that does not stop the headline does it?!

“German scientist made music transmission FTL” cool send a reference. But be careful FTL is a acronym in the music realm and means quite another thing (not faster then light)

People here think that I am disusing tech and advances . . I am not. I am not saying these things are not possible but I am responding to people thinking because they are possibly . . possible they are reality and that is NOT the case. And no amount of wishing will make that so.
I do make a distinction between observed and tested facts “scientific Theory” and Theoretical Theories (not yet proven but possible - note this also could equally mean disproved! Only observation, tests, and predictions on outcomes make it into a scientific Theory) and Fantasy . .
I love sci-fi but that does not make me believe sci-fi and really no amount of belief will make any difference.

What a... plebeian use. I mean, think about it: FTL communication. We've discovered a way to violate the light speed limit. And they use it to transmit music? admitedly, there isn't much you could use it for (yet), but still!

to respond to reply #20, most of the people that use these forums and (so I think) play this game, seem to be more... educated... than most people that play games. So I think that most people would like an explanation, even if it is just a little blurb in the research screen.

if you put engines on both ends then you never have to turn around.

well that was... random... to say the least...