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Gas giant mystery...

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Gas giant mystery...

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K so we were on SDC and yarlen said hed answer a beta 3 question. We asked if gas giants were colinizable. Heres the script thingy. Can any 1 figure out what they do before thurday?




:33] <@Yarlen> You may not colonize gas giants.
[17:33] * thrawn2787 taps foot
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Reply #26 from Sins Forums Top

I am betting that gas giants have massive gravity wells that contain MORE than just a single moon for colonization

dont hold your breath.


just because some of the fans didn't like the idea in past threads doesn't mean the devs felt the same way... and lucky for us they tend to do what they think is best for the game regardless of how much we wine about it

... though i personally am holding my breath... and getting quite blue as i try to type
Reply #27 from Sins Forums Top
just because some of the fans didn't like the idea in past threads doesn't mean the devs felt the same way... and lucky for us they tend to do what they think is best for the game regardless of how much we wine about it


has nothing to do with what the fans like, first of all it doesnt fit the system currently, also I doubt the devs would put a ton of effort into something that will have very little benefit when something as important as 3-D gets hoodlhooped over.
Galactic Civilizations IV
Reply #28 from Sins Forums Top
3-D is in the game Schem, stop being in such denial.
Reply #29 from Sins Forums Top
no more than we function in 4-D.




we dont, in case you dont know.


dont tell me you seriously think that going over, clicking the move button, then going over and hitting tilde and THEN moving up or down an appropriate ammount (which usually requires scrapping the entire thing to zoom out) is fair 3-D
Reply #30 from Sins Forums Top
no more than we function in 4-D.




we dont, in case you dont know.


actually we are constantly moving forward in time
Reply #31 from Sins Forums Top
Sure the mechanics arent refined Schem, but they are there. I am sure there will be UI updates even after Sins is released.
Reply #32 from Sins Forums Top
no more than we function in 4-D.


we don't, in case you don't know.

actually we are constantly moving forward in time



how do you know we are not functioning in a 4th space dimension. would a 2-d Creator know if it was a 3-d space or a 1-d in a 2-d space.


i believe that the 4th diminsion is going to turn out to be size not time.
Reply #33 from Sins Forums Top
size is a result of 3 dimensions...


either way we do not function in 4, we exist in 4.
Reply #34 from Sins Forums Top
I don't see how multiple objects in one system goes against the design concept... I don't honestly think moons would be so far away as to require a phase jump. So a gas giant with 1-3 moons would be quite reasonable in a single gravity well... 9 moons is possible in real life but would split our heads!

Except for special scenarios of course  
Reply #35 from Sins Forums Top

no more than we function in 4-D.


we don't, in case you don't know.

actually we are constantly moving forward in time



how do you know we are not functioning in a 4th space dimension. would a 2-d Creator know if it was a 3-d space or a 1-d in a 2-d space.


i believe that the 4th diminsion is going to turn out to be size not time.


Actually we don't function in 4-D, we do move "forward" in time but it's not the same.

To really function in 4-D will be the abillity to move freely on the time line.
To better understand this take a plain paper and draw an upside down view of an house and in the living room draw a smiley, that is 2-D world (AKA flatland) you have the ability to see every thing in flatland, you can touch everything in flatland and little smiley man don't know that you are there, he have no understanding of the idea of depth he can't see through the lines of the house just like we can't see through walls.
Now take one step back and think of use as the little guys in 3-D land and this bug dude who looks at us from above and can see and touch every thing in our present past and future.

Back to the subgect of Gas giants, I would really love for them to be huge uncolonizable planets with huge gravity wells and lots of resource roids.



Reply #36 from Sins Forums Top
Now take one step back and think of use as the little guys in 3-D land and this bug dude who looks at us from above and can see and touch every thing in our present past and future.


hmmm... an interesting concept... i have to say i have herd of God described in this manner, except that he exists out side of space/time... which is weird...

anyway back to Gas Giants, it really doesn't really mater to much to me if there are multiple moons or just alot of recourses or just a big empty well that is a gateway to else were. but if its going to have any recourses there has to be some way of "owning them." which leads me to believe that something needs to be colonizeable... Either way im just glad there are Gas Giants at all
Reply #37 from Sins Forums Top
Time is not a real thing. You don't move forward or backward on it, it doesn't exist its a extremely useful abstraction to organize activity. In real science the 4th dimension isn't time, its motion. Clear and simple, existence is 3 planes we all know and love, and the 4th dimension or quality is moving on it.

Our lovely little brains just dumb it down for us so we can function. Oh so notably since I can walk from point A. to point B. I do function in the 4th dimension. I don't control abstraction nor to I have full control over motion, if you did then you could time travel, because you could simply move everything everywhere until you recreated existence in the image of a history you prefer. Notably that still isn't 'time travel'

Anyways, Gas Giants are way more entertaining.
Reply #38 from Sins Forums Top
and the 4th dimension or quality is moving on it.

oh no its not, its distance traveled by photons, which is, guess what! time.
Reply #39 from Sins Forums Top
Which is also, guess what? Irrelevant
Reply #40 from Sins Forums Top
no emp, time is not a place in spain.
Reply #41 from Sins Forums Top
well... im no PhD but to my limited knowledge as an undergrad in physics, motion through 3 spacial dimensions is not the 4th dimension. and neither is time. Most Physicists agree to at least 9 (some string theorists say 10) spacial dimensions and a half-dimension of time. Yes, time is only a half dimension (and always the last to be listed) because as already noted we can only move through it in one direction. Now some say all of time exists already and we are just moving through it like a vector. Think of an old film strip with each frame cut and stacked on top of each other, and our observance of time is our progression through the time dimension. This makes one wonder about the philosophy of free will... and well anyway i could go on but i dont want to, because ill just start confusing myself and just for the record not all physicists follow this train of thought... its just an interesting one that i happen to like a lot.

WOOHOO FOR GAS GIANTS!!!
Reply #42 from Sins Forums Top
no emp, time is not a place in spain.


Prove it!!
Reply #43 from Sins Forums Top
wow in the time it took me to write that post 3 of you posted before me i need to type faster to keep up with you guys
Reply #44 from Sins Forums Top
and again theemperor beet me to it!! you guys are just too quick for me
Reply #45 from Sins Forums Top
What can we say, we are just tooo amazing. Thats why we are forming our own elitest club.

No noobs allowed(cept eets)!!!

You might be in it too, if you start sucking up now!!
Reply #46 from Sins Forums Top
... well if i need your permission i might already be screwed... but i already put in my vote for change the name to PS-Piss
Reply #47 from Sins Forums Top
which i see you did to, HIaFIVa (horrible attempted to e-quote Borat)
Reply #48 from Sins Forums Top
because as already noted we can only move through it in one direction.

nope, its because of the fourth dimension of time that we are allowed to move, theres nothing saying we dont have parallel conciousnesses that die first and then regress towards birth in the reverse motion of time.


I know for certain that time is one full dimension on its own, einstein's equations apply if it wasnt.
... well if i need your permission i might already be screwed... but i already put in my vote for change the name to PS-Piss

roflz
Reply #49 from Sins Forums Top
nope, its because of the fourth dimension of time that we are allowed to move, theres nothing saying we dont have parallel conciousnesses that die first and then regress towards birth in the reverse motion of time.


I know for certain that time is one full dimension on its own, einstein's equations apply if it wasnt.


well i like how you are soo cirtain that the reality you think is correct is indeed actuality and einstein's equations work with a variable that can be persieved very similar to the other spacial dimmentions... but no one as of yet knows for cirtain what the heck this time thing is. infact it is widely acknowlaged as one of sciences least understood phonomono (and i know i butchered that spelling)
Reply #50 from Sins Forums Top
Yes indeed if only we could harness the power of his confidence and utmost belief in his ability to be correct we could solve the worlds energy crisis, end poverty, cure all sickness, and travel to new worlds and start killing Other intelligent life!