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How I envisioned the Vasari

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How I envisioned the Vasari

Because I haven't seen anyone say this yet.

from Sins Forums
Hey Devs and Beta testers;
Considering the storyline of the Vasari, they seem a little too...at home in my opinion. They have the same ship classes as TEC, they colonize, and they play (basically) the same- with minor differences. A far cry from what I envisioned when I read their story:

Instead of colonizing planets, the Vasari would enter a sector of the galaxy and have a massive colony ship act as their home planet slot. They would be able to produce ships that spread through the system and begin to enslave/decimate planets ...sucking their resources dry and bringing it back to their home ship for processing. (either through a "quick and dirty" method- the planet sucker power on one of their ships- or through a slow process via orbital harvesters; the first giving little resources very quickly, and the second giving massive resources over a long period)

Personally I think that this idea (or something similar) would give a lot of character to the race, and separate it from the other two races

I'm not seriously saying that the Dev's should (or could at this point) implement any of this, I just wanted state my opinion that the (very well written!) story wasn't very well taken into account when the vision took shape, and it makes me kind of sad.
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Reply #51 from Sins Forums Top
as ppl are just expressing there vision on how they thought the Vasari would have been
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we have a zillion threads for that, the devs have stopped posting because its come up so damn much!

additionally this post cannot really be made without argument, as its founded on the whole concept of "you're wrong, I'm right" with absolutely no factual basis for the claims.
So if they are going to work together again in the future im sure they will make sure the lore will be better.
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ok, this is both confrontational and whining multi. we already clarified that the lore has never EVER lent itself to the misconceptions people have created. to say that stardock is wrong in making the vasari like they are is inflamatory and unnescessary. not to mention this point has been covered a bazillion times before, not once ending in the favor of betatestors

the thing is that people took a carbon copy of protoss and zerg and pasted it into the Vaz and TEC slots respectively. perhaps SD and IC should have been a bit more thorough, but it doesnt mean that they have left any room for improvement in the lore.
So to TGE and Schod, if you dont like this thread just let it be, as it will faint away with time. And there are no need to continue to tell ppl how the game wont be as they already know
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if we are going to play nice lets just make something clear: this thread has only thrived because we havent been agreeing, but its long past its expiration date. arguments which used to be nice have become sour and derogatory and are contiously accelerating, points are being reitterated without end and people are never compromising. frankly if we leave its going to become a bland read very quickly, if thats what you want then fine. I'm outta here (kick me in the ass on the way out and I'll return, however. you've been warned).

Reply #52 from Sins Forums Top
we have a zillion threads for that, the devs have stopped posting because its come up so damn much!
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ok, this is both confrontational and whining multi. we already clarified that the lore has never EVER lent itself to the misconceptions people have created.
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So why are so many ppl agreeing on that they thought they would be so different?

to say that stardock is wrong in making the vasari like they are is inflamatory and unnescessary. not to mention this point has been covered a bazillion times before, not once ending in the favor of betatestors
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Your saying stuff that arnt true at all, i or anyone else have NEVER said they were wrong in making them as they are. But we DID say that we thought they would have been different according to the lore. And YES i know YOU say it doesn't lead to that, but that doesnt explain why so many have thought them to be otherwise.

the thing is that people took a carbon copy of protoss and zerg and pasted it into the Vaz and TEC slots respectively. perhaps SD and IC should have been a bit more thorough, but it doesnt mean that they have left any room for improvement in the lore.
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I for one havent played or seen Starcraft for the around 10 years, my own thought about the Vasari was based on what i read and not compared to anything.

this thread has only thrived because we havent been agreeing
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there are nothing to agree about, one camp had an idea which you simply cannot accept them to have. Why not if i may ask? cant they just have there own opinion and let it be at that?

I'm outta here (kick me in the ass on the way out and I'll return, however. you've been warned).
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And ill be back when you try to kick someones ass (you've been warned)
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Reply #53 from Sins Forums Top
Are you two by chance gay? It's like a marital spat, but since you're both at least claiming the same gender...

Not that I want you to stop, this argument over exact interpretations of nondescript lore is still hilarious.
Reply #54 from Sins Forums Top
we have a zillion threads for that, the devs have stopped posting because its come up so damn much!
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just because the devs aren't posting doesnt mean that their not reading and learning. right kyro
Reply #55 from Sins Forums Top
just because the devs aren't posting doesnt mean that their not reading and learning. right kyro
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There really is nothing more for them to learn. This has been beaten to death more than once and just isn't going to lead anywhere. It's already past time for them to do anything other than balancing changes, not to change around the whole race (which they've stated they wouldn't do anyway).

This is a pointless argument, in the end
Reply #56 from Sins Forums Top
It's like a marital spat
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that would make this whole forum a very big polygamist's cult.
one camp had an idea which you simply cannot accept them to have
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I can accept that you guys had a completely valid point, but to say that the devs screwed up the lore, and that the vas should be any different than are (or rather, going to be) is just post-hoc whining.
I for one havent played or seen Starcraft for the around 10 years, my own thought about the Vasari was based on what i read and not compared to anything.
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I doubt there are more than a couple RTSes out there that arent either 3 carbon copies of the same thing, or are copies of the P/T/Z trio. just look at earth 21whatever0!
because the devs aren't posting doesnt mean that their not reading and learning
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what is there to learn here? people were mislead, doesnt mean the devs were wrong in any way.
And ill be back when you try to kick someones ass (you've been warned)
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only when I try to kick yours
This is a pointless argument, in the end
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point in case.
Reply #57 from Sins Forums Top

This thread has been interesting, if largely circular. I am disappointed in the personal attacks that were thrown around in here; hopefully we can all behave better.

Ideas and constructive criticism are good; insults are not.

I think that part of the gap is that there are many Sins fans who have been tracking the game for years now, while others are new. The folks who have been here for awhile are up-to-speed on what the developers have said, what arguments have been made before, etc. It can be irritating and exasperating to tread back over the same stuff over and over with new people. Still people - cut the new gang some slack. We are trying to invite more people into the game, not less. Sins isn't some high-school clique.

At this stage, the Vasari will not be changing in radical fashion (I have already stated why in several other threads). However, Ironclad is re-arranging some of their special techs/abilities to appear earlier in the game so that the differences will be more apparent.

Reply #58 from Sins Forums Top
This thread has been interesting, if largely circular. I am disappointed in the personal attacks that were thrown around in here; hopefully we can all behave better.
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Behave? Schod? You must be kidding

I have a hard enough time, he just won't even try

Sins isn't some high-school clique.
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Fixed!

Reply #59 from Sins Forums Top
ins isn't some high-school click
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i thought he meant chick
Reply #60 from Sins Forums Top
That would've been only slightly confusing
Reply #61 from Sins Forums Top

At this stage, the Vasari will not be changing in radical fashion (I have already stated why in several other threads). However, Ironclad is re-arranging some of their special techs/abilities to appear earlier in the game so that the differences will be more apparent.

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Let me just reiterate that what I want changed is the lore, so that it is more in tune with what we see, not changes to the game (as that would be lots and lots of more work that there is no time for). I've been more detailed in other posts on the theme.
Reply #63 from Sins Forums Top
Behave? Schod? You must be kidding
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ron you only get to tote around on your high horse when you're behaving. right now you're not.

besides, I reacted in kind to a personal attack. I dont see why I'm the only one catching flak. (actually I do, but its a lengthy philosophical debate I dont feel like starting here)
I agree with bovi here.
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I can see the confusion and the reason that some aspects of lore could be refined, thats always been a given, perhaps not to the extreme extent everyone wants... but people have gone around yelling out that the Vaz are the same as the TEC, and for me thats a huge no-no.
Reply #64 from Sins Forums Top
question for all of you


how many ways can you invent a laser.

how many ways will it work afterwords.
Reply #65 from Sins Forums Top
Its crappy crap, because people, istead of just leaving the thread to its peaceful discussion decided to take extremist views and then started attacking each other.

I have nothing against further discussion on how people thought the Vasair would be like. But what happend here wasn't that.
Reply #66 from Sins Forums Top
I like you TGE.

I think it really has been one person attacking others within this thread, I haven't seen any personal attacks except for the one against myself earlier from Schod...who has gone on quite the rampage here with memorable and laughable quotes such as:



"just ask yourself who has been here nearly a year longer than you, we know what we're talking about. just a friendly hint, as we all know you wont.

oh god, you're some high school AP bio sophmore who loves toting his newfound knowledge."

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Followed by this gem:



"its obvious to someone of my measly over 140 IQ..."
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Ironically in his next post we get this:

"if you've ever seen me in an argument I never talk down to people, throw around my IQ (that was a fake up there) or talk with gross amounts of nonsense."
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Really why bother? BTW...Just because you seem to be obsessed with me, I hold a Masters of Science in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology from Georgetown University Medical School and work as a molecular virologist at the National Institutes of Health. There you go Schod. None of that matters though, we're talking about a video game. I'm not sure why you care so much.

Onto the actual game...

I guess we're all posting here because we kind of feel that the game right now doesn't match up with the lore as we understood it and the lore for me was a major reason why I was interested with the game. Additionally, I agree with Shadowhal, the overall feel of the races just isn't there yet when compared to the lore (just personal opinion).

I'm glad to hear the the Devs and Stardock are changing things up a little in the order of the tech tree though, should be interesting to see what changes and how the Advent come out.

@Ron: Yeah I agree that the Cap Ships have different powers...But would the races really change that much if you took all of them and swapped them between the races? I'd say with the exception of the phase gating Vasari raider...there wouldn't be much of a difference.
Reply #67 from Sins Forums Top
I like you TGE.
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Thank you

However, as a point of refrance, don't mess with Schem. Although I hate to ever agree with him, he holds sway as an influencial member of this forum, especially since the game has come into the multiplayer beta.

Plus not to mention that making remarks on his remarks will cause him to make more remarks, no matter how much they bite him in the ass. Speaking, of asses, he isn't a complete one, so I suggest to any new comers to see past the Shody, and see the Schody

I guess we're all posting here because we kind of feel that the game right now doesn't match up with the lore as we understood it and the lore for me was a major reason why I was interested with the game. Additionally, I agree with Shadowhal, the overall feel of the races just isn't there yet when compared to the lore (just personal opinion).
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Though I too admit that I thought the Vasari would be more powerful I relised that the Lore can be interpreted in many ways. And the main problem the devs made for themselves was the inclusion of a time table. This made things higly unrealistic, cultures and societies do not change so drasticly in one decade. It just doesn't happen.
Reply #68 from Sins Forums Top
I'm in the mood for an ego-bloating, here goes:


Caael
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I'm like a god amongst christian athiests. people generally disrespect, ignore and fart in my general direction. however, when it comes down to the end they pretty much come crying back to me.

why do you think I kept my image as part of my profile? because it looks so much like this!!!


well, now that I've filled your head with my egotistical nonsense, back to the thread!
I guess we're all posting here because we kind of feel that the game right now doesn't match up with the lore as we understood it
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I think the whole key phrase has been "as we understood it", (un, if you prefer)fortunately the devs decided that a more unique system was in order, and I have to say they did obnoxiously well! although I certainly am not fighting a tech remix.
Reply #69 from Sins Forums Top
I think I just encouraged something big and ugly to come parading out onto our forums.

:O
Reply #70 from Sins Forums Top
Yeah Schod is barely 18...its easy to forgive and forget him...followed by pitying him.

I'm checking out of this thread, sorry guys.
Reply #71 from Sins Forums Top
Yeah Schod is barely 18...its easy to forgive and forget him...followed by pitying him.
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or ignore him
Reply #72 from Sins Forums Top
today marks when Schristianity and Schreationism has triumphed over science and the bio-graduate!

eh, too bad the few supporters of this thread took me too seriously when it was blatantly obvious I was joking.
Reply #73 from Sins Forums Top
i just want to add my 2 cents on vasari.

Vasari is diverse in gameplay from the tec
but its not diverse in roleplay from the tec

Reply #74 from Sins Forums Top
LOL @ Schem
Reply #75 from Sins Forums Top
well, this is not the 1st time i see this. Some of you are fanboys. Someone says something you dont like and you jump on them. Not all of you but some.
Actualy is more probable than someone new, see something you dont. Despite the fact he does not know the game,fully.

As for some of you if you dont have something go to say dont post.