Kane and Lynch - Gamespot Editor/Reviewer Fired for Negative Review =o

Tell the truth and your ass is gone...

Gamespot gave it a 6.0 (xbox360 version)

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/kanelynchdeadmen/index.html?tag=result;title;0

Here is the step by step of what is known so far:


Update - 9:00AM EST Dec. 1, 2007: The latest developments on the story.

Update - 5:45PM EST: CNET has amended their earlier statement with Joystiq.

Update - 3:20PM EST: We just noticed that Gerstmann's video review, previously accessible only through a direct link, has been removed from the site. Here's an alternate YouTube link.

Update - 2:20PM EST: We got a response from CNET, GameSpot's parent company, that totally explains the whole thing away ... you see. Actually, they don't say much.

Update - 12:52 AM EST: Penny Arcade, which helped popularize this story with their comic last night, has posted an accompanying commentary piece on the issue. The story they were told (by whom, we do not know) has Gamespot management angry at Gerstmann for long-standing problems with his reviewing "tone." The Kane & Lynch review, which allegedly caused Eidos to withdraw "hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of future advertising from the site," served as the straw that broke the camel's back. There's no named source for this information, but the piece does say that "the firm belief internally [is] that Jeff was sacrificed."

Update - 11:00 AM EST: The anonymous source/speculation train rolls on. Rock Paper Shotgun has posted a story citing an unnamed "very reliable source" as saying that "while Gerstmann wasn't the most popular man with the CNET owners, it was his Kane & Lynch review alone that saw him lose his job." Meanwhile, a poster at Forumopolis who claims to be directly involved with the Kane & Lynch ad campaign says that the whole thing is just a matter of bad timing. "I sincerely doubt that Eidos made Gamespot fire him," the poster writes. "CNET doesn't kowtow to its advertisers, and I've more than once seen the higher-ups turn away big advertising dollars for the sake of the company's integrity." Make of this what you will.

Update - 10:44 AM EST: Gamespot PR representative Leslie Van Every has responded to Joystiq's request for comment with ... a predictable 'no comment.' "It is CNET Networks' policy to never comment on individual employees--current or former--regarding their job status," Van Every told Joystiq. "This policy is in place out of respect for the individuals' privacy."

Update - 7:12 AM EST: Jeff has confirmed his firing to us via e-mail, but says he's "not really able to comment on the specifics of my termination." He added that he's "looking forward to getting back out there and figuring out what's next." We're still digging.

Update - 1:35 AM EST: The Kane and Lynch ads that blanketed Gamespot's front page are no longer being shown. Check out the picture above to see what the site looked at just an hour ago.

Original Post:
So before we get going, we should make it clear that this post is still just a rumor and many of the facts behind it are still up in the air. That being said, word around game journalism's virtual water cooler is that Gamespot Editorial Director Jeff Gerstmann has been fired because publisher Eidos was unhappy about his negative review of Kane & Lynch: Dead Men.

What seems in little dispute, going by forum chatter as well as multiple published sources (referencing conversations with multiple CNet employees), is that Gerstmann has indeed been fired after over ten years working at the site. We were not immediately able to confirm the firing with Gamespot or Gerstmann directly, but an e-mail sent to his Gamespot address did get returned with a "permanent failure" error. Seems pretty serious to us ... (see 7:12 AM update above)

What is in some dispute is the reason behind the firing. The current leading theory is that Eidos, a major Gamespot advertiser (just look at the current Kane&Lynch-ified front page shown above) was unhappy with Gerstmann's review of their game and brought pressure to bear on the site to remove the longstanding editor (Eidos representatives were not immediately available for comment). Gamespot's text review of the game is definitely very negative, and the 6/10 score rather low, but it's the video review of the game that really eviscerates it for "impossible to like" characters, a "lazy" script and excessive profanity, among other things. It does seem plausible that Eidos might not be too happy with either review, and that Gamespot might be willing to do anything to prevent losing such a large advertiser (notwithstanding the site's posted review guidelines, which state they have never "altered our verdict about any game due to advertiser pressure").

But there are some parts of the story that don't quite fit. For one, the review was posted on Nov. 13, yet the evidence points to Gerstmann being fired only recently. For another, it stands to reason that if Eidos was so unhappy with the review, that they would also demand it be taken down from the site, a step that has not yet been taken (though the video version doesn't seem to be actively linked on the site's Kane & Lynch videos page has now been removed from the site completely. See 3:20 pm update, above)? And while GameSpot's 6/10 score was low, it certainly wasn't out of the ordinary. Why would Gamespot be singled out, and why would such a senior and generally respected editor be demanded (and accepted by Gamespot) as sacrifice?

The ramifications of the story, if true, are huge. Readers should fairly expect there to be an inviolable firewall between advertising and editorial in journalism, and game journalism (yes, that includes "just reviews") is no different. While our industry has had its fair share of accusations of impropriety, nothing so far has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Giving a publisher the power to fire a senior editor is a line no outlet should be willing to cross.

We hope that everything is not as it seems here, and that there has simply been some sort of misunderstanding brought on by a game of telephone. The circumstantial evidence, however, is hard to ignore, and significant enough to make us seriously question what exactly is going on here. We'll of course be following this story as it inevitably develops over the next few days.
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http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/30/rumor-gamespots-editorial-director-fired-over-kane-and-lynch-rev/

The video of the review is no longer on gamespot, nor are any ads for KANE and LYNCH

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BUT! It is on youtube!
youtube WWW Link

So even if the guy wasn't the favorite of the company, his truthful review of a CRAP game, got him fired because he cost his company money. But he probably gained a lot of new fans.

What would you do?
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Reply #1 Top
Penny Arcade even got in on the action, and made a small comic about this...

Reply #2 Top
So... long story short...

Gamespot advertised this game a crap load and then some reviewer made an honest review, which put the game in a negative light, and got fired?
Reply #3 Top
yep , but not just some reviewer, the EDITOR of the review section did the review, and got fired!
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No offense, but this is why I avoid places like Gamespot. They seem so incumbent upon advertising that they'll pitch a bad game just to appease a publisher. Firing the section editor for an HONEST review isn't fair, that's stupid. Proof is in the pudding, and the Gamespot brand is way sour.
Reply #5 Top
That's why user reviews (in rare cases, since most reviews are either by trolls, or fanboys)are always better than paid people.
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.... user reviews are rarely always better?
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.... user reviews are rarely always better?
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A non biased fan review. Which... isn't gonna happen. I'm sure the guy that reviewed Kane and Lynch wasn't biased at all, I'm sure its just a bad game.
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they shoulda had beta testers!
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they shoulda had beta testers!
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solves all the worlds problems...
Reply #10 Top
Actually, it appears Eidos had little to do with this, and it was a legal thing between Gamespot and Gerstmann. CNET's official response to why there isn't more information is:
CNET would not elaborate on the circumstances, stating only that it was their policy not to comment on the status of its current or former employees.
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Considering that Gerstmann himself admitted there are legal reasons preventing him from commenting upon the rumors I think it's safe to say there's something else at work. Hard to see or find where neither party will explain the situation, but I think Eidos isn't involved at all.

See: Article @ FileFront
Reply #11 Top
I got the game and its goood :D

What that gamespot reviewer said was more because he hated it, rather then speaking from a neutral point of view.

What he said about the story was so untrue, and i loved the story VERY much. You actually gets to hate, love and gets disgusted with the characters.
But dang it has some nice black humor. Laughed for most of the game, but also got a tear in my eye at one point :SNIFF!:

He did speak the truth about weird cover and stupid AI. But what games doesn't have that today?
But basing the game as he did was very unprofessional and plainly wrong.
So if he got fired because of it, i think it fits very well as he did a very poor job in the review (:(


Reply #12 Top
Another possiblity Multi is that the game works well for European tastes but not as much for American ones. Many game are like this and European and American game players do tend to have different tastes. Or it could be your right.
Reply #13 Top
Well, multi like it, he did not. These are opinions. And getting fired for telling what you think. Thats bad. very bad.
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Well, multi like it, he did not. These are opinions. And getting fired for telling what you think. Thats bad. very bad.
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his a professional reviewer that gets paid for doing it neutral, and should talk about its good and bad side in a proper way, which he did not.
Reply #15 Top
I will agree, his "tone" was quite negative, but seriously how do you say something sucks, and do it in a neutral way?
Reply #16 Top
how many good games have been torn by gamespot and nothing happend? now money lost and sudenly a bad reviewr =S
Reply #17 Top
The way he reviewed that game , he wanted to be fired
Reply #18 Top
who WOULDNT want to be fired from gamespot?
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who WOULDNT want to be fired from gamespot?
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ROTFLMAOWPIMP!!!
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who WOULDNT want to be fired from gamespot?
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Someone with a healthy desire for cash?
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who WOULDNT want to be fired from gamespot?


Someone with a healthy desire for cash?
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Schod?

Reply #22 Top

his a professional reviewer that gets paid for doing it neutral, and should talk about its good and bad side in a proper way, which he did not.
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Hrpmh -- sounded like he did to me. Basically said "it's a rental/buy used, not a buy new" game, which is reasonable. I dunno, the "7-10" rating system that seems to be the norm makes reviews all but useless.


So if he got fired because of it, i think it fits very well as he did a very poor job in the review
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Even from what you're saying, the game sounds decidedly mediocre. Maybe his tone was a bit harsh, but hardly unreasonably so. In the end, the game got a 6. Which should be just about average... which sounds about right. Strikes me as a bit odd that having a slightly harsh tone in what seems like a fair review results in him being fired after, what... 10 years? Pretty lame.

Reply #23 Top
They probably wanted him out and were looking for an excuse.
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They probably wanted him out and were looking for an excuse.
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BANG... right there.

many people dont seem to realize how companies work. Executives are never fired, they say the have are leaving to meet new challenges. Managers are fired only when there is enough crap collected against them and drones.. well drones just get fired.



In this editors case i bet he has been digging his grave for a while now and this gave them a good reason to give him the boot.
But then again I care little for happens at GaySpot, I mean GameSpot
Reply #25 Top
if he was digging his own grave for a while, he would have been gone a while ago rather than firing him simply to watch the shit hit the fan.