WOW, you are a capatalist through and through. Its like saying that black people like joining gangs cause its part of thier 'culture'.

note, I really love how people kindof just glossed over the fact that germany is banning a religion.

Scientology is not a church, it's a money-making scheme.

aaii.. people can believe in what they want to. I dont really give a rats ass.

but...

I now proclaim a new religion, come brothers, follow the teaching of Judas The Betrayer.

"This isn't about restricting freedom of opinion, it's about examining what the limits are."

That quotation encapsualtes the stupidity of the whole episode and episodes like it.

'Its not about limiting freedom - its about finding out what the limits are...'

Silly. Mindscreamingly nonsensical. But then again, Germany has been that way for over half a century; they have allowed the Nazis to rob them of free expression, well beyond their existences.

Pathetic.

Half a century ... that would be 50 years...
I really dont know what you mean.

Its not from being poor, its from being under appreciated. From the time they are born they are taught to be, either through crappy education(oh thank god for this education system) or through the expectations of others, to no amount to anything. These are kids who know they have no opportunity, so they learn to not try, to not suceed, they learn to be what people expect them to. So you are wrong in saying that the fact that they don't have financial equality is the lesser of the two problems, because it leads to the bigger one.

In retrospect you wouldn't know, no doubt you either inadvertently or purposefully follow the teachings of the great Mankiw.

What?

No!

You rephrased again. First you said poor people don't WANT to go to college. Now you are saying that not only do they want to, that they are motivated enough to apply for grants.

What I said was that poor people are conditioned to think that they will never amount to anything so why should they bother going to college. This is BECAUSE of the lack of money. So one causes the other, or at least they are corellated very highly.

It all comes back to general mistreatement of the poor, and they are mistreated so because of people's misconceptions of their cause of condition. Misconceptions like yours.

I'm quite dissapointed at both of your shared narrow mindedness Ron.

Schod does have a point. There is a kind of anti-success culture among many poor people. They develop this because being poor they don't have the advantages of the rich or middle class and thus rising up to become rich or middle class is significantly harder. Poor people aren't stupider than middle class/rich people but they aren't smarter either. This means that since they face higher obstacles but aren't correspondingly better able to overcome these obstacles, fewer succeed in doing so. After many fail to rise up, they then spread the idea that to succeed you must "sell out." Thus a culture where success is seen as an immorally gained thing spreads thereby attributing a certain dignity to being poor. Higher obstacles to the poor do contribute, but they are almost inherent in any capitalist-like system. You can never destroy all barriers to success that the poor have that the rich don't unless you even out the incomes...which is communism. The best you can do is to try and offer as many opportunities as you can which might weaken the "sell out" culture.

that would be, as opposed to your closeminded denial?
thanks ron and SoG.

Christianity started out as a "give to all, expect nothing back!" scheme, I dont see the difference. except the benefitiary

either way they have no right to deny people belief, whether or not the belief saps them.

I'm not in denial.

I'm just saying that being poor does is not necessarily the reason for not going to college. I mean if poor people were encouraged to better themselves, instead of being bombarded by pesimistic mass media things would be a lot different for education.