Few questions about beta 4.

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Not for sure if there is a NDA and how much it covers, so feel free to lock or delete if i break it lol.

I have played beta 3 and loved what i saw, and i am on the fence about pre-ordering it now as well, i am worried about stuff i have ehard about beta4 and retail.

Some felt def was to strong in beta 3 so it was enrfed, and i hear from others not only are they weaker but also less total limt, making def turrets almost useless, is this true?

I keep seeing people say the fleet size changed for beta 4, how so? i also know retail changed it again and we are told its not gonna be noticed now, to me that sounds like we can build massive fleets of thounsdand of ships, other whys i will notice :)
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Reply #1 from Sins Forums Top
Pirate off the port bow!!
Reply #2 from Sins Forums Top
From Yarlen in an earlier topic

This probably sounds harsh, but our viewpoint is that if you've stolen the game your opinion means nothing to us.  Don't even bother posting because all you're doing is wasting our time and telling us who we should ban.
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Aaaarrrrgh Matey!
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Reply #3 from Sins Forums Top
From Yarlen in an earlier topic


This probably sounds harsh, but our viewpoint is that if you've stolen the game your opinion means nothing to us.  Don't even bother posting because all you're doing is wasting our time and telling us who we should ban.


Aaaarrrrgh Matey!
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Cannons at the ready!!!......FIRE!!!!
Reply #4 from Sins Forums Top
No dont be so rude.
Hes willing to buy, so let him come into the family.

Turrets arent useless at all, but now youve spend some brainspace for a good placing order of the turrets.

The rest ... well see :)


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Reply #5 from Sins Forums Top

Did someone put a bounty on me? :P

Seriously though, I would buy the game, update to beta 4 and you will see first hand how much better it is than beta 3. Then you will love it when I tell you just how much better retail is than beta 4. Turrets are very useful (you have lay them out well) and fleet sizes can be huge (and you can mod it very easily to create even larger fleets.)

Support independant developers and publishers, we are worth it :)

Reply #6 from Sins Forums Top
*to aldarian*
Still, he admitted he pirated the beta, whether he decides to buy it or not, it is still stealing. If wanted to try the game before preordering, he should have waited for the demo (which if I remember correctly would come out a month after the release).

Reply #7 from Sins Forums Top
Did someone put a bounty on me?
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That was me. I put two eets on you! You will now be hunted across the galaxy :P
Reply #8 from Sins Forums Top
two eets!?! thats got to be a record.
Still, he admitted he pirated the beta
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really? I didnt see that anywhere.
maybe he just played at a friends place.
Reply #9 from Sins Forums Top
I guess that may be a possibility, however, in that case the friend pirated the beta.
Reply #10 from Sins Forums Top
...?

you really think he didnt just go over to a friends place a few months ago? he hasnt said anything that confirms the contrary.
Reply #11 from Sins Forums Top
I thought of that, I guess there is a chance he didn't, but there is still a proabablity he did pirate it, sorry bout it.
Reply #12 from Sins Forums Top
well, making the beta for pre-ordered customers was bound to attract pirate attention :) .. if it converts some of them to paying customers, who is going to argue.
Reply #13 from Sins Forums Top

From Yarlen in an earlier topic

This probably sounds harsh, but our viewpoint is that if you've stolen the game your opinion means nothing to us.  Don't even bother posting because all you're doing is wasting our time and telling us who we should ban.


Aaaarrrrgh Matey!
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Well its good to know that someone thinks a beta can be stolen the same as a full copy of the game, and ever more so that the devs can be jerks about people who are intrested in buying there game and giving them money.

Oh well i will look for another game to keep me busy till my new MMOs come out this summer take care and ebst of luck.

Reply #14 from Sins Forums Top
I thought of that, I guess there is a chance he didn't, but there is still a proabablity he did pirate it, sorry bout it.
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heh soul for your sake you better not spend too much time around me. you'll end up apologizing for everything! I'm far too combative :P
well, making the beta for pre-ordered customers was bound to attract pirate attention .. if it converts some of them to paying customers, who is going to argue.
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I guess its possible, perhaps even likely.
Reply #15 from Sins Forums Top

From Yarlen in an earlier topic


This probably sounds harsh, but our viewpoint is that if you've stolen the game your opinion means nothing to us.  Don't even bother posting because all you're doing is wasting our time and telling us who we should ban.


Aaaarrrrgh Matey!




Well its good to know that someone thinks a beta can be stolen the same as a full copy of the game, and ever more so that the devs can be jerks about people who are intrested in buying there game and giving them money.

Oh well i will look for another game to keep me busy till my new MMOs come out this summer take care and ebst of luck.

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Whiteskull, I'm a developer on Sins and you can read my post above and you can see that I wasn't being a jerk. I don't like that people have stolen Sins beta's but I still hope to encourage them to buy the game and check out all the cool new stuff we've added - which is basically what I wrote to you. The quote from Yarlen is accurate and I agree with him but I believe he was particularly mad at people who stole the game and were complaining about various issues and wasting our time - in which case can you blame him? Either way I hope you decide to buy Sins and have a lot of fun playing it - without your support small independant companies like Stardock and Ironclad won't be able to continue to deliver new content for our games and we definately won't be able to make new ones :)

Reply #16 from Sins Forums Top


I got this error message when i was colonizing planet odessa

Failed to find StringID: 'IDS_PLANETDETAILSINFOCARD_CULTURETAKEOVERSTATUS_ALMOSTLOST'. NOTE: Any following StringID failures will be supressed.


I got this error message when i went colonizing the planet Odessa
Reply #18 from Sins Forums Top
Piracy is a logical occurance set in motion by the game devs/companies themselves. In almost every hacker NFO you will find the message: If you like the product BUY IT the devs deserve support. So many people have been robbed (heck you game devs say pirates steal so why not use the same emotion) by gamecompanies delivering such bad quality games, promises not met and so on and on. FE EA and their digital downloads all of a sudden you cant download your games for which you have paid for after 6 months or you should pay them 6US or so to be able to add 1.5 year. And if you are unlucky Yep you guessed it right you have to buy the game again.

Why worry about a beta 3 still there and being played. It will convince people to buy the full retail. Beta 3 showed me a very nice game and I decided to buy it.

Call me a pirate cool. I liked your product and I buy it. But dont tell me to pay for a crappy game and just got robbed out of 50$ again and even call it stealling. Beta 3 might be even your best promotion yet.

I like Stardock and I think you guys deserve the support. Dont blaim me for judging a product to see if it worth the money. Call me impatience cause that I am guilty off ;)
Reply #20 from Sins Forums Top


I got this error message when i was colonizing planet odessa

Failed to find StringID: 'IDS_PLANETDETAILSINFOCARD_CULTURETAKEOVERSTATUS_ALMOSTLOST'. NOTE: Any following StringID failures will be supressed.


I got this error message when i went colonizing the planet Odessa
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Yes i also get this but not when im colonizing but when one of my planets is being taken by culture

Reply #21 from Sins Forums Top
Piracy is a logical occurance set in motion by the game devs/companies themselves. In almost every hacker NFO you will find the message: If you like the product BUY IT the devs deserve support. So many people have been robbed (heck you game devs say pirates steal so why not use the same emotion) by gamecompanies delivering such bad quality games, promises not met and so on and on.
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This is a circular argument that has no merit. By this logic, you're "justified" to steal every product because it may not be as advertised. The fact is, every company pitches their product in the best light possible, but it's up to the consumer to decide to spend money on it or not. You can say some company made you waste money on a crappy game, but they didn't force you to buy it - it was you who decided to spend the money on it without doing any research. Demos and reviewing sites exist for a reason, and if you don't use them and complain that you were cheated out of your money and so now resort to stealing, you're just creating a convenient justification that doesn't hold water.

That said, Stardock and Ironclad are definitely not in the business of mis-representing games or services, so I'm glad you hopped on board and got the game ;)
Reply #22 from Sins Forums Top
If you feel that a company's actions or support make a product worthless, then you DO have the option to look into that in advance and simply not buy it OR pirate it. Even if a company treats its customers poorly, that certainly doesn't make its products completely without value, and it definitely doesn't justify stealing them.
Reply #23 from Sins Forums Top
Demos: Many games dont offer one. If theres one ofc I down it.
Review sites: Since when are they right about a game? Which ones are legit which ones write a payed review?

You are most certainly right on that nobody is forcing me. On the other hand if i am promised superior AI/graphs by the company and they absolutly dont deliver that. Then yes my friend they lied and cheated me out of my money. Should I have done more research? Dont tell me I have to do 4 hours of research simply because you get lied into buying a game. Its weird that you say I justify stealing every product. If you would advertise a TV with functions it does not have and I would buy it. I would have no problem getting my money back, if needed by law. With software lol forget it, as soon as you open the box it cant be returned where I live.

Is it actually stealing when you down a game install it and stop playing after 30 minutes and remove it in utter disgust? Or is it sweet revenge and a thank god I didnt fall for it? For me its the last and I am afraid no one would be able to change that.

Now I am not trying to actually promte piracy. I am just showing the other side. Maybe a side which make devs mad but it the way it is nowaydays.

Aye glad to be on board but I am already a die hard fan of the GC series and I bought all the expansions ;) Like I already said If you like the game support the devs.
Reply #24 from Sins Forums Top
If you feel that a company's actions or support make a product worthless, then you DO have the option to look into that in advance and simply not buy it OR pirate it. Even if a company treats its customers poorly, that certainly doesn't make its products completely without value, and it definitely doesn't justify stealing them.
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If you are refering to EA. I bought the game a year prior to the change they made. There was no mention at all of the digital download restriction. There is no way I could have known and I liked the digital download option. Now becasue the community got into an uproar about it I could redownload the installer and back it up. I am just pointing out that if you miss the 6 month deadline you are out of your games and have to rebuy em. Talk about stealing? And no there was no warning / mail or any indication rules had changed.

Things like that changes people I cant help it.

Reply #25 from Sins Forums Top
when was the last time anyone saw a review which wasnt a " OMG this game is the best game since men set foot on planet earth! "

you never read a review on a magazine that goes " Meh i would skip this game tbh..."

reviews are nothing but a commercial... so ppl treat it as such..

when was the last time u saw a commercial on TV of a product and u actualy bought it beacuse of that commercial...i bet it never happend.

either other ppl who have the product advise you to buy it or you go to the store and try it 4 yourself...

games i love i buy .. that doesnt mean that every game i ever played i bought...and the crap u dl u delete after 5 sec of play.

Soase i will buy no doubt about it , i will support the devs heck i would pay 100$ 4 it cause hi i love the game... but i would never buy a game if i havent tested it b4.


u can call it piracy , i call it comman sense.

i think piracy exists because of the nature of the gaming marketing where buying a product is very risky and alot of ppl got hurt by it.

i dont think soase will have much piracy its an awesome game and any one with half a brain will buy it to support companies which actualy make a good game .

ohh and i dont buy that theory of which was first the egg or the chicken...because it was the egg which was first (well if u belive in evolution but thats another debate).

:D

beta's and demos should be free ...if i dl the demo of Soase and decide to buy it then its ok but if i Dl the beta and decide to buy it then its stealing? Woot!

stealing is if you go to IGN and you are asked to pay 4 a subscription in order to play a beta... like they did in ohh so many games , the nerve to charge a client to play a beta!!!

in fact p2p is an awesome way to have a bigger client base .. if i had a company i would realse the demo or any beta i made 4 free on a torrent site etc... its free feedback!!! and if ppl love the game they will buy it...if not they will dl it play it 4 a few hours and throw it away.

peace.


well writing all this just moved the relase date of soase closer muhahah ,if only i could pre-order via paypal :(