no fleets/control groups on the empire tree?

i think you need to go into your interface options and enable pinning of control groups to the empire tree.

i think..

Fleets are not the same as control groups. Control groups are a userinterface shortcut and fleets are smart groups of ships that know how to work together (you can control group a fleet if you like). You probably need to create a fleet by bandboxing some ships, opening the tactical menu and pressing "create fleet". This will show up in the Empire Tree if your options are set correctly.

ah, alright cool. i didn't realize there was a diffence. thanks for the help, ill try it later today

Fleets are all kinds of awesome. Take a bit of getting used to, but the added smartness is great

So I assume then that selecting a group of ships and pressing Ctrl-1 is different then using the tactical menu and making a fleet? I hope there is a way to change Ctrl-1 to make fleet instead of assign control group. I thought Ctrl-number was a RTS standard to make fleets/groups of units that work together.

Ctrl-number will create a group of units that move together, just like any modern RTS game. But creating a fleet is a different beast. It's a cohesive unit of ships that work together (not simply move together).

-HM

I guess I dont see the point of making a group of ships that move together but dont work together. Making control groups just seem pointless to me. I checked the key bindings and I could not find a way for Ctrl-number to make/select fleets instead of making control groups.

You can use F, F to create a fleet from a selected group of ships. You can also assign a control group number to a fleet by selecting it and hitting CTRL+