Yep, that one.

Well either way, it fixed the crashes I was having that were spawned on late-game pirate raids, so I'm pretty sure it's the right one. I still have it here somewhere if anyone desperately needs it and the one on pg5 does nothing.

I'm of course assuming the mod is using its own original or appropriately licensed textures and sounds, and doesn't redistribute ironclad or other people's stuff without permission. Otherwise there's of course no way the mod can relicense, own, or even use/redistribute these parts, since all of that requires a license or copyright ownership. On a glance, however seems to me that this is the case; the Ironclad owned textures need to be copied over from the sins directory and all that. Note it also doesn't include a copy of SoaSE.

Anyhow, Ironclad owns the copyright to the game, not the file system its run on, or the mods that run under it. It also doesn't own your word documents if you happen to mistakenly place these in the Ironclad folder. Even if the game displays them in game for whatever reason. A mod that's located in a different directory but run by a game is NOT automatically a derivative work. Even configuration files as such are not copyright protected - they were meant for user modification and thus can be freely modified in whatever way (patents may still apply in certain countries, though, and in some -rather few- countries its also possible to restrict such config file usage through contracts like licenses or EULA).

Likewise, the GPL basically states that you can only use a piece of software with another piece of software if said software is also free. That's not a given fact for all software or relates to "public domain" software in any way, actually quite the opposite! Its a condition in the GPL license agreement which must necessarily be met for someone to use the software. As in: It is something specific to the GPL and similar licenses, not applicable in general.


No. I don't think its a derivative work to start with. Maybe you can show files where this isn't the case? I don't claim to have done anything in the ways of a review, I just saw what I saw when installing / playing.

Guys, please take the copyright law discussion to another thread and leave this one for news about the actual mod.

Can't easily be done by us - have an editor move the relevant parts, otherwise the context gets lost (it relates to this mod & distant stars after all; its not an entirely isolated copyright discussion). Also, no worries, news will probably go into the always visible first post anyways...

Not at the moment, the forum is buggered, and this cannot be done. Hopefully a fix will be on the way soon.

Alright, it seems as if most of the mods to work under 1.03 right now.

I've put together a file with everything except for the Mars Effect mod (but including the latest version of Sins Plus instead) and it all seems to work all nice.

The download is slightly bigger this time, but it should be alright. (mostly due to the doubling of the number of planets included in SinsPlus)

It's also much easier to install this time, since you won't have to copy anything from the game folder, you'll just have to extract it into the mod folder and play.

So to clarify, In this file is included:
Planets and bonuses from SinsPlus 1.2 (latest)
Sound and Music from Distant Stars
Particle effects from Bailknights Graphic mod
Planet Textures from Stars and Planets.

Missing mods as compared to the original package:
The Mars Effect mod.

Link:
http://swezor.mine.nu/uploads/SP+SaP+DSS+GM.rar
198mb .RAR (download from www.rarlabs.com if you can't open it) hosted on my personal server located in central Sweden on a 3mb(up) connection.
The server will stay online for about four and a half hours (until midnight GMT+1) after this message is posted.

Enjoy.
//SweZor

Hey.. Did I gave you permission redistribute my work?

As much as I like to make mine free to distribute, bail has a very valid point. A polite PM would have done the trick, but now it might not be as easy.

I've heard a saying; "Better to ask for Forgiveness than for Permission." But, in this case, it probably wasn't.

Well I`m generally welcomed any request for this time at least but it looks like some people in this forum don`t respect good mod makers and their great works that spend their precious time for making good mod and just consider it as "simply changing few numbers" make me really pissed off recently. May be I need some time for calm down  

P.S. I`m not very much good at writing english.. So sometime I made mistake that ppl take my word as offensive(rude?) but believe me I`m not that angly or sarcasm   

Woah, I thought this thread was originally a howto on how to combine some very nice mods. If you're going to upload a packaged file, please ask the respective modders BEFORE doing so. People have put some effort into these mods, the least you can do is ask.

Amen to that.

Swezor, they are very much correct. You do need to ask for permission first before redistributing their work. Just like how if I was to ever release my balance for this game *I* would first respect it if someone 'asked' before including it in a mod pack.

In fact, you pretty much should ask for anything that involves another person's mod. Even if that includs the models IN that mod, if you want to use them in your own mod then ask them. Or, like what I've done for X3 - Reunion, I asked the person who created the Xtended Mod if I may use their mod in a video I was creating (at the time I had more than enough time to do it, but then things came up)

So, in the end, please ask. Perhaps if you send them a polite e-mail, WITH an apology included, they might allow you to upload the pack

However, - Uzii, xXAequitasxX, Bail. You three are warrented in your opinions but please remember that people DO make mistakes, It looks to me like he made the mistake of assuming it was ok because you guy's POSTED about it.

I never said you shouldn't bother asking, or show respect to the mod, or that it was acceptable to just rip other mods for your own gain. I was, however, showing that there is almost no supporting case to 'ownership' of a mod, in response to whats-his-name's response that it's "FORBIDDEN D: D: D:" to do anything to his mod, which sounded pretentious and douchetastic.

Were you to have such rights of ownership, what exactly would stop game developers from simply making a Half-Life 2 mod and selling it as a full game?

Hey man, he can use mine no problem, I've stated that. But he should send a PM letting me know he has used it, like dictated on my Mod's main post.




The problem is, if this thing continues, people will start putting Licenses on their mods. You really don't want that to happen. I've recently been talking to a guy who has pointed me to a License, which is very basic, but is official. We do these mods for the public to use and in most cases play around with by themselves. Even releasing them with credit is fine. In the post above there is only the mention of Bailknights name, not mine, Aequitas', SkyLine's, or Max Tael's. I know everyone knows who made these, but once again, its the principle.

Ah crap, never thought so far ahead, I just made the package for a few friends to make the mod installations a bit easier in preparation for a few games this weekend. (And I thought I might as well put it up here since so many requested a download of the final result

I'm sorry if I stepped on someone toes, I'll take it down/remove mods if anyone has any problems with it. I would edit the post to make it include full credits, but it seems the forum won't let me... I'll make a short readme into the rar file instead.

Again, sorry guys for not asking first.
PS. I love your work Uzii and Bailknight (and the makers of the other mods that I can't remember the names of), it improves the game by infite amounts, making it much more fun and rewarding to play. DS.

EDIT: I have now uploaded a new package that includes a readme that should make it crystal clear on who made the mods, and how little of it was actually me. I have also blocked access to the file until I get a go ahead from the makers of all the mods.

Oh for chrissakes...really, what is the difference if someone downloads a mod from a link in this thread, or a link that is 3 threads above it in the exact same forum?

Your name is plastered all over it, it's being distributed from the same website, and he is not claiming that it's his own work. He's simply making it easier for other people to enjoy your work combined with the work of other talented modders.

Seriously, WTF is the difference?

I understand that you put a great deal of time into these things, but you did not just invent a hair restoration pill - it's a mod for a game. Other people are going through the extra effort to help other people enjoy your mod as well - is that such a crime??

You better bite your tongue sir. You clearly haven't read all the posts here, or else you would know what the fuss is about. Your forgiven this time, but don't jump to conclusions on one post you read.

I'll take the liberty of summing it up for you:
SweZor had merged these mods, then released the merge, and did so without consulting the authors. He has apologised and PM'd me, and I'm assuming the other authors if he can do so now. He dealt with it very well, and apologised profusely and corrected the mistake. For that I am very thankful, a lesser man would have started getting annoyed and aggravated, and questioned why... huh, like you have.

Wow this is ridiculous. Do you think because you made a mod, that it's okay to talk down to people like that?
People don't give a fuck if you forgive them or not.
I agree with Griffon, quit your bitching your mod is all over the place and everyone knows that you made it.
You gave everyone permission to use your mod by releasing it into the public in the first place.
All he did was rehost it, along with other mods in a single package.

What he did was a favor to the community for everyone that wants to play your mod.
If he was taking credit for the actual creation of the mod, then you have something to whine about. As for now i give him credit for merging a bunch of nice mods to host.

Maybe you should bite your tongue.
Thanks.

Hello The link feom very first post does not work.....

Which one? There are 4.

ooo Can any one here put this 4 mods together and upload a stuff with link that work...

This is a mod.... Copyright here doesn't count just give a credits in final product..

Nobody make mony from this stuff....

The links dont work guys....

WTF is the Difference?

I made my mod for MY OWN PLEASURE NOT YOURS and that pleasure is directly proportional to it`s DL counts where I uploaded not other people`s thread. What you are thinking is exactly same how pirate justify themselves. This is good game so spread it freely with no excuse to people who spent their time and hard work for money(or DL counts or some positive replies)? However saddly enough it seems like guys like you who never create their own works couldn`t understand this.

Now..WTF is the Difference? Should I explanation this again?
Holy crap this is totally nonsense.

WOW!
What an eye opener. I am 46 years old. I have been playing games and using mods since Bards Bale. I have never seen such a premadona bunch of modders in my life. At no point did the poster claim any responsibility for these mods ( I have seen this sort of thing done its not cool). Comparing bundling a mod to pirating is ludicrous at best. They used to say any press is good press. Be happy people like your mod, you are getting credit for it. In other words stop sniveling. Someone said they did the mod for their own enjoyment. Don’t put it on the internet then for Christs sake. Copyright? Jesus Christ Get a publisher and sell it then. Bottom line this dosent seem like much of a community.

I have always been in awe of the modders who who really add to and complete many games out there. Look at Doom and quake. WOW. Keep it real folks. Its just a mod. Your reward is knowing that you contributed in making a good game much better. Yes it is polite to give credit to all when compiling a group of mods. Do we know this was not done?

Best wishes and thanks for the great mods.

@ what ever your name is, it doesn't seem to show up

And what difference does this make sir?


No one said he did.


Yes, so why is everyone flaming Bail for wanting to host it on one site?

This has been blown well out of proportion, not by us, but by you. Lets see what started this all off;

How does this even come close to the things you describe? All he wanted was to be asked before.

@ CommanderAdama
Swearing isn't going to get you anywhere here. So please, bite your tongue before throwing out profanity.

Re-reading my post, it did come across somewhat patronising, and as I was talking down to him. GreenGriffon, I do apologise if I was out of line, I didn't mean for it to sound condescending in any way.

I did give permission for people to use my Mod, but with a PM or message to me, to let me know. This was all I asked.

@ To whom it may concern
This minor issue has been resolved, I'm puzzled why others are drawing it out longer.

Ok well I'm gonna bring the convo back on topic.

I've tried the combo on Version 1.3 of Sin and it's not working, anyone know of a way to work around this becasue it sounded like an awesome idea and I was looking forward to it.