The Seven Deadly Sins No More! 14 Now!

Bit ridiculous really. So if i throw anything on the ground now im going to hell? Or if i get rich thats me done, hell it is. If i were you id watch out stardock lol. Dont sell too many games.Its a sin to make money now.

I agree that this "update" is ridiculous. But one has to realize that Christians don't believe that one goes to Hell if one commits a sin. But that's not this discussion, so let's keep it out, eh?

So how does one cause poverty? By making money? Gimme a break. Is that financial gluttony? Gimme another break, not to mention a KitKat. What is Social injustice? Is it related to causing poverty?
Also, how does one differentiate between genetic modification and human experimentations, if the former is based on humans as well?

This is clearly a political statement rather than a religious one. Though I agree with most of the things listed anyway, I would ask questions like "At what point does making money become gluttony?" The list is so vague that the Pope could condemn anyone for committing one of those sins - and the thing is, the list is undefined enough that it becomes a matter of opinion.

Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not Belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell.

Eh? I'm sorry, I don't follow your reasoning.

Look at the different religions that exist today.
Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell.
General unbelievers, atheists, agnostics and people blocking my drive included.
Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell.

Perhaps this is what I don't understand: Does "all souls" include the people who happen to belong to the correct religion? Because if not, then that's about right. It's not a particularly unreasonable statement, if you ask me. But, then, that's just me.

EDIT: My point takes for granted the fact that no more than one religion may be correct, simply because they all, or most of them, are incompatible.

Airfix is trying to confuse you with logic that says you play to the rules of several games at once... ignore him.

you realize that if you counted the number of sins from all of the "updates" the vadican has given us you'd have dozens, if not hundreds, of sins.

Ah!
My statement is not logical.
There is no correct religion.
Example:
Believers of religion A will suffer in the hell of religion B because thats the punishment imposed in religion B for unbelievers.
Believers of religion B will suffer in the hell of religion A for the same reasons.
Question:
Is there only one hell?

If there is a correct religion then there are only the levels of Hell or its equivalent associated with that religion.
If there is no correct religion, then there is no Hell.
If there are multiple correct religions, then there are multiple Hells, or the equivalents.
I think it's a matter of logic.

If it came down to belief, then I believe there is one correct religion, and, by implication, that there is only one Hell. You might not. There is little chance we'd be reconciled to each other's views on a forum



lol! It's fun to argue, all the same



And this is true as well! Yay!

Yeah but these seven were put into the category of mortal sins, most others are just minor sins.

Agree with
Polluting the environment
Social injustice
Causing poverty
Financial gluttony

I like it, it gives you more to choose from.

Chaney, in the eye's of some religious fanatics, ANY sin is a mortal sin, regardless of how minor it is.

"I once sneezed on Christmas day"

"BURN IN HELL!"

Genetic modification-Stupidest of all. Hey, let's continue having cancer so we can obey the whims of a vague proclamation of sins as defined by the so-called proxy of a Cosmic Jewish Zombie.

Human experimentations-Sounds ominous, but it's really not. I guess the doctor who did the first open heart surgery should burn in hell. Gimme a break...

Polluting the environment-Taking it a bit too far.

Financial gluttony - How is gluttony defined? If you are successful in life, you should burn in hell for not living in a mud hut? Ambiguous at best.

Taking drugs - Could care less how someone poisons himself.

There's a BIG difference between a sin in the eyes of God, and socially unacceptable behavior.

I think someone in Rome seems to have forgotten that. (Along with a LOT of other people.)

I think I'll just stick with the good ol' Ten Commandments, thanks. Anyone still remember those?

Nope, I think they got mixed in with preaching how every single part of your life needs to be in accordance with their secondary presuppositions.

Personally, I'm not a fan of organized religion. It's become too much like a business. However, I have my own personal beliefs, views, and religion that shares a lot of the positives from the religion I grew up with and a couple of other religions. Do some soul searching and ask tough, unanswerable questions to yourself and you might just find out more than you ever expected.


Those have been made illegal in the USA. We used to have some nearby at a courthouse and cemetery, but they disappeared admist a ton of controversy.

Of course, I'm trying to be funny here. I'm doing so because I think people (not you) get too hypersensitive about religions things, life, possessions, and all that that it blinds them.

Causing poverty meanings the purpose exploitation of a population that causes strain on their own well being. Ex high gas prices, taxes, firing a bunch of employees so you can "save money" for your company when really your just saving your fat 50 million dollar bonus instead of 2000 jobs. Im sure you get the drift

So the bosses that laid me off a few years back are going to burn in Hell? Yay!

I think most bosses are going to hell either way LOL

First off I'd like to show how grateful I am of all you people for being so sophisticated about this subject; no one has made any insults to any religions or people. Bravo. I haven't seen a forum with this much sophistication since... nevermind... Anyway.

I think I lean on the side of ZJBDragon here; not such a big fan of organized religion. My beliefes happen to be based on an organized religion, but I do not actively participate in what one would call a "church." Religion has become a bit of a business; the evidence of such is shown in the one that reads: No pulluting the environment. Watch a few commercials, especially the ones for energy sources; even coal says they don't polute anymore. I swear, I'm sick of seeing that generic, meaningless phrase we protect the environment through better choices for cleaner processes. It seems like a ploy to cover up some of the other problems the church has had lately. I won't be the one to bring them up however. Someone else mentioned the distinction between religious doctrine and societal taboo; there is a difference, it's very important to realize this. I'd like to mention that I heard this next part from someone else, but can't think of who. Those who follow (or base their beliefs on) an organized religion such as Catholasism, Christianity (the only difference between the two being practiced tradition and funny hats), Judaism, whathaveyou, do not need the rules written down in the "Seven/Fourteen Deadly Sins," I have a book that wrote it all out already: The Bible. When leaders say they need to update the rules for a new modern time, they commit the herasy they condemn others of: challenging the infalability of God.

I don't want to make the argument that one religion is more correct than another, but it's important for me, for everyone, whether they practice the religion or not, to understand that just because the pope says there are new rules, does not mean the rules are just or needed. I know not to impoverish others or to commit social injustice; I'd like to hope that any who practice these religions, and even those who don't, know to make the right choices on their own. To sum it all up: if we have to be told not to sin, following the set rules does not make us rightous; only when we chose to follow the rules out of our own hearts are we rightous.

Sorry, that was kinda sappy at the end there, but you get the point. I hope. Thank's again for being so sensitive about the issue and showing respect for others beliefs. I'm truly amazed how itelligent and sophisticated these forums are.

Lol! I'll agree that this particular post is amazingly...well, sophisticated is as good a word as any (I'm impressed too), but I'd hardly call these forums sophisticated (especially those posts on the merits of the new patch...)

And for catholics, what the pope says is pretty major. (Depends how devote they are of course...) According to the catholic church, what he says carries as much weight as the bible, unless I'm mistaken. (If I am, feel free to correct me.) I rather liked Pope Benedict--I'm not catholic, but I liked his style--but these proclamations are amazingly vague.

For example: what the heck is "polluting the environment"? I think everyone will agree that an oil tanker spill is pollution, but where's the bottom limit? Do the emissions from my car count? How 'bout heat pollution? Is that 500W or so of heat dissipated from my computer a sin? Anything humans do using any technology whatsoever (even bronze age stuff) is gong to cause some kind of pollution.

And genetic modification? Is there some kind of explanation that goes along with this list, or was the list it? Breeding dogs is genetic modification. I can only assume it's referring to direct manipulation of DNA, but why is that wrong exactly? (And please don't say because we're 'playing God'. If scientists create a universe out of nothing, then you can accuse them of playing God.) I believe in the Bible as strongly as anyone, but (as has already been mentioned) these seem more like political statements than theological ones.

My point is that this list strikes me as irresponsible. There really are millions of people that believe this (and I'm not bashing on them in any way: some of them are very close friends of mine) and will actually think that throwing away garbage is sin (again, it's impossible to argue that landfills aren't polluting, even if they are currently necessary). What the pope says has enourmous impact in some circles, and i think these poorly defined, broad categories are dangerous. (Of course, maybe the Vatican released a technical paper explaining exactly what each of these categories are, scientific like.)

But don't get me wrong, I still like Benedict, these new 'sins' just blow my mind.

And an interesting fact: Jesus was called a glutton and drunk by the religious elite of his day. I wonder if he was a polluter too?

The fact is, people, and it seems some high-up people, lose the essence of what Christianity is - simple faith. This is why some of you guys (and certainly quite understandably) think it's become a business. This is a downright blatant political statement. There's nothing Godly here. And who is the Pope to tell us these things? How can a man dictate what a mortal sin is? Shouldn't that be up to God?

I agree with Sibilantae. Look back at the crusades, which got the europeans out of the dark ages.

the europeans were nothing but ravage tribes.. aka knights, competing for teretory and killing lots of innocent people.

Trying to fix the place, the pope declared that any christian knight that partakes in the crusade will have his sins forgiven and definetly go to heaven. That god wants them to kill the unbelievers(muslims, etc) and take jeruslem. They did exactly that, and slaughter hundreds of thousands of people so that they could supposevly go to heaven, and half the so called leaders of the crusades stopped and ruled their own cities and tried to get rich. Most of it was policital and all the corrupt bastards wanted money for themselves and to kill people. when the muslims finally took it back, they let the christians leave, not slaughter them, so ask yourself, morally would you rather be a scum christian who slaughters rape and try to get rich, or the ones who just want their holy city and let them leave.

Im a baptist, FYI

Its not up to the pope to declare whats right or wrong, its up to god. And he can 10 rules he would like followed. When becoming a christian you try to stop sinning and try to leave as perfect a life as you can, but that isnt always so, we all make mistakes, we all have fallen short, and god forgives us if we ask. Its up to him to look inside a persons heart and dictate what kind of person that they really are.

I noticed alot when taking courses in college, that ALOT of different religions are based off so much similiarities that its not even funny, everyone believes certain things, and as so many years go by, their views end up becoming a new religion, w/e you call, whoever you call it, there is one supreme being that has done alot of stuff for alot of different people.

actually, no new sins would have been needed to be made up, as the "ols" seven deadly sins were already enough to condemm every single human beeing to hell...

Greed: everything you want more than you just need for living
Gluttony: you eat more than you need too
Lust: what shall i say to this on
Sloth: Driving a car(generating pollution) would be sloth... you could also walk xD(was thinking of a selling agent)
etc.

So the new sins are just made up to be popular again...

to genetic modification: i don't think it's bad.. it just depends on what you do with it...

And somebody mentioned playing god and creat a little universe...
what if you do create one and live evelops in it.... the beeings in it would be glad to be alive... it would only cruel if you'd destroy this universe..

well but at all i don't like religions...
most of them creat fanatics who are very little minded...
just take the islamist fanatics who are threatening every western country...

and to the end...
i stick to what Dimmu Borgir sang:
You'r gone burn in Hell!!

and me too