[MAGOG]Kruelgor [MAGOG]Kruelgor

LRM Spam is still king.....for now

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LRM Spam is still king.....for now

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Ok LRM Spam.  You win for now, but Advent will continue to figure out ways to try to stop you.  Back to the drawing board for Advent.

good job Huntingx
strategy
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Reply #101 from Sins Forums Top
You do realize that 1 armor is just +5% hp right? heh.

Disciple and LRM supply cost is 1:1, how are you producing 2:1? Cost for cost, you get 3:4 ratio of LRM vs disciple. Can 40 disciple beat 30 LRM? I don't think so!...

So cost for cost, disciple lose. Supply for supply, disciple REALLY REALLY lose. And supply is important :).

The thing is, you can start your disciple spam a bit earlier than they can start LRM spam. So it takes a few minutes for the TEC player to "catch up" in the power of his forces...But very very quickly, he passes your "disciple spam" power and can then come demolish you.

Reply #102 from Sins Forums Top
You do realize that 1 armor is just +5% hp right? heh.Disciple and LRM supply cost is 1:1, how are you producing 2:1? Cost for cost, you get 3:4 ratio of LRM vs disciple. Can 40 disciple beat 30 LRM? I don't think so!...So cost for cost, disciple lose. Supply for supply, disciple REALLY REALLY lose. And supply is important .The thing is, you can start your disciple spam a bit earlier than they can start LRM spam. So it takes a few minutes for the TEC player to "catch up" in the power of his forces...But very very quickly, he passes your "disciple spam" power and can then come demolish you.
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My factories never stop producing ships. Eventually, depending on the size of the map, I will have 3 frigate factories continuously pumping out ships. It's a non-stop production process.

LRMs require crystal and the Disciples do not. The disciples also cost less in credits and metal. It's a no-brainer.

Supply? You're talking about crew? Hell, I've already upgraded my available crew three times before the LRM player upgrades once.

Of course, I'm only producing disciples for maybe the first hour at most. Thereafter, I'm producing more advanced ships.
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Reply #103 from Sins Forums Top
Well if Tec player is smart is being over runned by defense frigs you only need couple heavy cruisers to wipe the defense frigs off the map. You need to react quickly to the situation or say goodbye to your fleet.
Reply #104 from Sins Forums Top
Well if Tec player is smart is being over runned by defense frigs you only need couple heavy cruisers to wipe the defense frigs off the map. You need to react quickly to the situation or say goodbye to your fleet.
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Those are pretty tough, but when I encounter them they are too late too few. I eat them too. Besides, my more advanced ships being pumped out too.
Reply #105 from Sins Forums Top
You are wise. Your fleet is mighty. Your technology is advanced. Your planets are plenty. You are a god. Congratulations! You can uninstall SOSE now and start creating life.
Reply #106 from Sins Forums Top
guy is gigantic troll, ignore him
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That pretty much sums up this entire thread. The only thing is that this guy keeps bumping it. From now on, only Kruelgor may post in this thread.
Reply #107 from Sins Forums Top
I will be playing many hours this weekend for anyone who would like to play.

Add me to your XFIRE. My xfire username is Kruelgor.

Cheers!
Reply #108 from Sins Forums Top
You are wise. Your fleet is mighty. Your technology is advanced. Your planets are plenty. You are a god. Congratulations! You can uninstall SOSE now and start creating life.
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The almighty Gog created life, I'm just a peon servant of his.

Peace!

Reply #109 from Sins Forums Top
i don't know how you can justify this strategy if you know about the damage/armor types chart.

this strategy is like saying you intend to use gasoline to douse a fire.
Reply #110 from Sins Forums Top
You're a complete scrub.

Disciples do nothing to LRMs.

I don't even know where to begin to describe how wrong and stupid this strategy is.

The answer for advent vs tec is simply to make defense vessels, which are far superior in every way in straight up combat.

Disciples pop in a volley, massively level up the kortul, which then uses nanites to instagib your entire fleet in 2 seconds.

You're. A complete. Scrub.

Stop confusing the newbs.
Reply #111 from Sins Forums Top
Sorry PeskyFly. You were doing good for about 6 hours.

...still waiting to see a replay of disciples beating lrms. Since the game autosaves 'em OP must have them. Why no posty?
Reply #112 from Sins Forums Top
Sorry PeskyFly. You were doing good for about 6 hours....still waiting to see a replay of disciples beating lrms. Since the game autosaves 'em OP must have them. Why no posty?
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He said he'll be online this weekend. I have no plans on installing Xfire just to set up a match with him and I'd rather do it on the forums. The other day, I specified around 7 pacific time and he wasn't online on either the forums or the IRC. I actually left work early that day to make time for a game and waited an hour or so.

So [MAGOG]Kruelgor, what do you say to a 1v1 rescheduled? I can play pretty much any time this weekend, if you let me know ahead of time. Please actually show up this time.
Reply #113 from Sins Forums Top
Can't a dev simply tell that Krulgor guy that he hasn't understood anything and that they are not lying ingame but just didn't put ALL the information there? It's really not that hard ...

btw I find Kruggers attitude very annoying. Respect to Jinx for putting up with it ;) I'd probably have given up by now.

I really hope that nobody ever listens to the stuff Krolgur posts on a regular basis here ... those posts maybe even influencing balance changes *shrug* That must be how siege frigs got nerfed ;)
Reply #114 from Sins Forums Top
Can't a dev simply tell that Krulgor guy that he hasn't understood anything and that they are not lying ingame but just didn't put ALL the information there? It's really not that hard ...

btw I find Kruggers attitude very annoying. Respect to Jinx for putting up with it I'd probably have given up by now.

I really hope that nobody ever listens to the stuff Krolgur posts on a regular basis here ... those posts maybe even influencing balance changes *shrug* That must be how siege frigs got nerfed
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Unfortunately, people are believing it. I've already played a few games where people went MASS disciples when they saw the inevitable LRM's coming their way. Needless to say they got crushed and were ridiculed.

When an opponenet does this, it makes for a boring game. It's almost like an education lesson. When a teammate does this and doesn't listen to the reasons NOT to do it, it's frustrating.

I've played some pub games vs clans where my team were all beginners. However, they listened to my advice on what counters to get and how to set up defenses properly if they're under attack. We won those games. Now I get the occasional game with a team mate who builds all the wrong stuff but still doesn't listen to any advice at all. Worst of all, they've ACTUALLY quoted [MAGOG]Kruelgor's posts. He's getting his baptism by fire, but why do I need to get involved?  :( 
Reply #115 from Sins Forums Top
Problem is that Kruelgor's post appears on Page 1 and the arguments appear on later pages(this post is on Page 5). Most people don't have the time for going into the thing and just skim the forum for tips. So people end up sending Disciples against Javs and make lemmings of themselves in the process.

The only solution is to not post here, hope Kruelgor doesn't keep bumping this trash, and somehow get the devs to lock it up if he does. Otherwise, more people end up learning the hard way.
Reply #116 from Sins Forums Top
Perhaps it's simply because I'm able to produce so many Disciples in the beginning of the game that LRM spammers simply can't inflict a critical blow to my empire.I can't explain the so-called "mechanics" behind it, but I do know that I fear LRM spammers zilch because of the Disciple (and because of patch 1.03)
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So is this an admission that in 1 vs 1 your strategy doesn't work? Because it sure looks like it.

Otherwise whats the problem?
Reply #117 from Sins Forums Top
So is this an admission that in 1 vs 1 your strategy doesn't work? Because it sure looks like it.

Otherwise whats the problem?
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Before you jump on the "Let's Kill Kruelgor" band wagon, maybe you should know what you're talking about. Hahaa...good try though.

I know there's a lot of messages in this thread, but I've already stated numerous times the LRM is better than the Disciple 1v1. What I've been saying is that Disciple SPAMMING can neutralized LRM spamming. I did it again last night. The LRM spammer finally quit the game because I guess he ran out of crystal and couldn't keep up. LRM requires crystal, Disciples do not.
Reply #118 from Sins Forums Top
The LRM spammer finally quit because I guess he ran out of crystal and couldn't keep up. LRM requires crystal, Disciples do not.
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Black Market. Trade Ports -> Cash -> Buy Crystal.
Reply #119 from Sins Forums Top
Black Market. Trade Ports -> Cash -> Buy Crystal.
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Wrong. Not unless you can do that very quickly in the game. In the later stages of the game, neither LRM spamming or Disciple spamming is effective. I don't think you're going to be able to buy many trade ports that early in the game, and if you are then that means you neglected your fleet and will not be able to compete against my VERY large disciple fleet early in the game.

Basically, if you're spending all your money on trade ports then your LRM SPAMMING definitely wont be able to keep up with the DISCIPLE SPAMMING early in the game.
Reply #120 from Sins Forums Top
My factories never stop producing ships. Eventually, depending on the size of the map, I will have 3 frigate factories continuously pumping out ships. It's a non-stop production process. LRMs require crystal and the Disciples do not. The disciples also cost less in credits and metal. It's a no-brainer.Supply? You're talking about crew? Hell, I've already upgraded my available crew three times before the LRM player upgrades once.Of course, I'm only producing disciples for maybe the first hour at most. Thereafter, I'm producing more advanced ships.
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Funny, I never got the idea that Advent were very good at having an economy, unlike the TEC. And while you upgrade your fleet capacity to spam those Disciples, you dip your economy even further down the drain. You said it yourself... you need to maintain an almost 2:1 ratio, even though they have the same supply cost, and this is where it ultimately fails.

Also, in order to spam Disciple vessels without ever stopping (not taking into account upgrades/research/etc), it requires at least an income of 13.89credits/sec and 2.22metal/sec - to break even, and that's at the first level of fleet capacity (no upkeep). It gets worse the bigger your fleet is. Sure, they don't cost any crystal, but that's about the only beneficial thing going for it. And the shield levels, lest I forget.

You criticize other players building trade ports to boost income, yet you boast about increasing fleet size early on, which lowers income? An interesting theory to say the least.


Reply #121 from Sins Forums Top
unny, I never got the idea that Advent were very good at having an economy, unlike the TEC. And while you upgrade your fleet capacity to spam those Disciples, you dip your economy even further down the drain. You said it yourself... you need to maintain an almost 2:1 ratio, even though they have the same supply cost, and this is where it ultimately fails.

Also, in order to spam Disciple vessels without ever stopping (not taking into account upgrades/research/etc), it requires at least an income of 13.89credits/sec and 2.22metal/sec - to break even, and that's at the first level of fleet capacity (no upkeep). It gets worse the bigger your fleet is. Sure, they don't cost any crystal, but that's about the only beneficial thing going for it. And the shield levels, lest I forget.

You criticize other players building trade ports to boost income, yet you boast about increasing fleet size early on, which lowers income? An interesting theory to say the least.
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Too technical for me. I just do it. Can't explain all the fuzzy logic algorithms.

Oh, you might have failed to notice this thread is about spamming ships. Your reply seems like you know very little about ship spamming.

Cheers!
Reply #122 from Sins Forums Top
Too technical for me. I just do it. Can't explain all the fuzzy logic algorithms.Oh, you might have failed to notice this thread is about spamming ships. Your reply seems like you know very little about ship spamming.Cheers!
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Standard copout reply. Too technical? Too bad, this is a deep technical game. Add that to the fact you can only gloss over my points with a "Lol I can't explain it" gives you about as much credibility as a religious zealot. Obviously you know the concept of fleet supply, since you mentioned it when I quoted you.

Nice one, though, trying to detract from my statements without actually responding intelligently back. A crude jab like that really explains a lot!





Reply #123 from Sins Forums Top
Standard copout reply. Too technical? Too bad, this is a deep technical game.
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Naaa...Just play the game and have fun. I leave the computations up to the devs.
Reply #124 from Sins Forums Top
Mar 18; Kruelgor: I tell you what. Here's what I will do. The next time I stop an LRM spammer I will save the replay and show it to you.
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Mar 21; Kruelgor: What I've been saying is that Disciple SPAMMING can neutralized LRM spamming. I did it again last night.
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So, where's the replay you said you would post?
Reply #125 from Sins Forums Top
So, where's the replay you said you would post?
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You just read my mind. I'll be sure to save some of these replays, but I'm hesitant to show you all my secrets. I wont disclose my "secret weapon" that gives me a considerable edge, but I will be more than happy to post a few replays soon. I'll be on tonight and this weekend. So, I should have some replays up by end of night Sunday.

Later!