Focus Firing

is it worth it?

I read it in some places that focus firing is not that good in this game because of shield mitigation which increase when they are focus fired upon.

I know it's not as good but does that mean you should leave it to the AI? Somehow I don't think so...what is the most effective way of 'microing' battles?

I was fighting an early vassari fleet with LRMS and a kol and kept on losing (around even numbers) even when I had repair platforms up so I was wondering what kind of coordination do I need.
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I know it's not as good but does that mean you should leave it to the AI? Somehow I don't think so...what is the most effective way of 'microing' battles?
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Personally i prefer focus firing on the cap ships first. Once the shield is gone the mitigation is gone and the enemy ship takes full amount of damage :D

I was fighting an early vassari fleet with LRMS and a kol and kept on losing (around even numbers) even when I had repair platforms up so I was wondering what kind of coordination do I need.
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Ive fought odds 2 to 1 against me at one time and won. It really depends on how you use what you have at your disposal. It could also mean that the enemy had better technology then you, so not much you can do but micro the fleet. Keep an eye on the empire tree and watch the health of all your ships. If it looks like your lossing health way too fast compared to your enemy, it would be better to retreat.
When you retreat and he is attacking a planet of yours, be sure to have some gun platforms as he moves after your retreating ships the gun platforms will still be firing on his ships.
So either he will chase your ships and wont be focus firing on the platforms and they will do lots of damage to his ships, while he does minimal damage to them.
Or he could focus fire on the platforms and your fleet can retreat safely and resupply at the near by planet.
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Does this put TEC ships at a significant disadvantage due to them relying more on hull than on shields?

I guess Vassari with their talent to be able to bypass shields makes it painful for Advent...

Slightly out of topic but in early game, when all you have is a capital ship and some cobalts and LRMs is it perhaps just more efficient to go all the way cobalts? Problem is when the enemy closes in on them, they get rather crappy since there's no other unit to occupy them.
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Once the shield is gone the mitigation is gone and the enemy ship takes full amount of damage
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Incorrect. Damage mitigation remains in effect regardless of shield status. Thus, all races benefit from it roughly equally and phase missiles are pretty much universally useful, since they ignore mitigation when they phase.
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I didn't know the mitigation remains in effect regardless of shield status...since it does say Shield Mitigation....

Who has phase missiles? Vassari?
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Reuben...trying to get a new strategy after loosing to fujkenasai huh ;p Yeah Vasari phase misiles have this added advantage...BTW there is another thread about this topic somewhere here in the topic. You could try searching for it.
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Once the shield is gone the mitigation is gone and the enemy ship takes full amount of damageIncorrect. Damage mitigation remains in effect regardless of shield status. Thus, all races benefit from it roughly equally and phase missiles are pretty much universally useful, since they ignore mitigation when they phase.
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my bad, still got some beta stuff in my head ;p
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Lol i lost that game mainly because my capital ship tried to chase his critical capital ship and ended up losing mine instead :( Then yeah downhill battle from there since it was really early on.
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Lol i lost that game mainly because my capital ship tried to chase his critical capital ship and ended up losing mine instead Then yeah downhill battle from there since it was really early on.
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He did the Warcraft3 hero tactic and you fell for it. Run the Cap ship around while the enemy focus on his Cap ship while he whacks your Cap which is chasing his and not doing any damage. Be aware of your own cap ship health.
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Wow did he like just tell everybody about how he beat me ? lol.

Actually I had a couple of frigate class ships chasing his cap ship. I should have just left my cap ship behind but thought could lazer....:( He only had a few hundred health when he warped u see while mine had a few thousand... lol
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Yeah phase missle upgrades are good. Armor upgrades are good, but in general you should actually focus fire on one ships at a time.

One tip though:

GAUGE the rate at which the ship you're shooting is losing health, and then have your ships actually begin hitting a different target. This works especially well with assailants and LRMs because their missles take a while to hit their targets. Take advantage of this. If you wait until the ship you're targeting is actually destroyed you will be WASTING A TON OF DAMAGE. it's like playing dodge ball. You can't simply sit and watch as the ball you throw hits the other player. You have to keep moving/ pick up another ball/ throw it at someone else as the first ball you threw is still on its way to the target.
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I'd guess that the shield mitigation changing still doesn't make up for the fact that if you were to hit all the ships at once instead of focussing, they would retain their full attacking potential against you until the very end. Of course, if you kill them one at a time, the enemy loses firepower with each ship he loses. It's a good question though.

Regarding letting AI fight for you, I've always found that they end up focusing fire anyway, so the only question is who do you want to focus on?

I think that actual battles in this game are much less dynamic than a game like warcraft 3, since everything moves so slow. Also, I have a feeling the units are more similar between races in this game than in other RTS games. Notice all the threads here related to general LRM ships, etc., which are basically all the same. Aside from picking when to retreat or follow a retreating enemy cap ship, there is very little micromanagement strategy in the fights here, I think.