Future politics, what do think it will be like when we can colinize other planets and fight space battles.

if we ever have the ability to effectively colonize planets not in our solar system we probably wont have wars. Wars are caused by pressure for resources if every group has thier own planets it kind of negates the need to fight over stuff.

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RonLugge

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if we ever have the ability to effectively colonize planets not in our solar system we probably wont have wars. Wars are caused by pressure for resources if every group has thier own planets it kind of negates the need to fight over stuff.

You're joking, right? Please tell me your not that naive.

Lets start with the various Crusades, Jihads, purges, and other stupidity "in the name of God!" Then lets move on to the fact that its easier to take the infrastructure and wealth from someone else than to develop it yourself. Then lets move on to genuine political issues, and finally the fact that the resources available in the galaxy are finite -- eventually there will be "pressure for resources" again.

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Space is really really big enormas really isnt a big enough word to describe the size of our galaxy. so while in theory you are correct that there are finite resources available it will take a very very long time to get to that point.

Now if einstein is correct then it is very unlikely we will ever populate another star system short of building a generation ship.

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as to the point of conflict ever stopping no i dont belive that but it will always be done on or around planets i dont expect space warfare like in sins to ever be a reality

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I think that many nations won't leave earth, Kenya for example. Others, like America and China, will strike out on their own. There may be EU-like coalitions exploring space. But I sincerly doubt hyperspace travel will unite mankind. Just look at the Palestinians picking on the Israelites. They could go anywhere, but they want that one spot.

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lord draco, Although einstien was one of the smartest men ever to of lived he could not accurately predict anything about space travel as he and we do not know enouph about it, for example there are eleven dimensions, as humans we can currently comprehend 3 up, down, and side to side there are 8 more! any one of those could potentially be used for space travel. amother example is that of electrons (im quoting from memory so apologies if wrong) evry electron is part of a pair, and each electron corresponds with the other instantly even if its the other side of the galaxy, no one knows how but once we do this could also be used in space travel.

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for example there are eleven dimensions, as humans we can currently comprehend 3 up, down, and side to side there are 8 more

We understand at least 4 at the moment, the fourth one is Time.

Read up on the history of the New World after Columbus "discovered" it, and it will give you a rough idea of how it might be when we start colonizing other planets.

The real question should be: Will the beings living in that planet be defeated as Spain defeated the Aztecs?

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While the white coats are busy trying to imagine themselves on the other side of the galaxy, those who control the resources necessary for space travel are instead making plans on how to achieve a sustainable population of a mere 500 million.

In case you didn't notice, thats several Billion below current population levels.

Think total urbanization and tyranny. This is a far more likely future than humanity escaping earth.

If you want a better outcome, talk to your creator about it.

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RonLugge

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The real question should be: Will the beings living in that planet be defeated as Spain defeated the Aztecs?

Question: is there other life out there (specifically, intelligent tool-using life)? There isn't any data currently available, that I've heard of.

Space is really really big enormas really isnt a big enough word to describe the size of our galaxy. so while in theory you are correct that there are finite resources available it will take a very very long time to get to that point.

As others have pointed out, simply have those resources available elsewhere won't do a thing when we want them here.

Now if einstein is correct then it is very unlikely we will ever populate another star system short of building a generation ship.

There are loopholes in Einsteins work that would allow us to go interstellar. Only real problem is that the power levels are... more than impossible, shall we say.

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Now if einstein is correct then it is very unlikely we will ever populate another star system short of building a generation ship.

There are loopholes in Einsteins work that would allow us to go interstellar. Only real problem is that the power levels are... more than impossible, shall we say.

That is just one point of view. Think of it this way. Nobody to date have said that interstellar travel is impossible. They have only stated ways how that is not possible. Still nobody have brought up a way to do it and then test it succesfully.

So far we know many ways of how not to do it. Let's keep searching for ways of how to do it. It is possible, we just don't know how, yet.

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Future politics, what do think it will be like when we can colinize other planets and fight space battles.

No Change - we'll just fight each other for the "new" resources we find ......

Politicians will still fight for influence and power, they'll just have a wider selection to dominate .....

And we will still be that way until another Race comes along, kicks our Butt, and we might then - just might - develop some common sense and stop that nonsense.

But I'm not holding my breath - a "friendly" lot us Humans ...

Regards
Zy

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RonLugge

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Sorry, I should have phrased my point more clearly. Already we know of several loopholes, except we can't exploit them because the power levels are enormous. But the fact that there are any loopholes, at the very least implies the possibility of more.

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Question: is there other life out there (specifically, intelligent tool-using life)? There isn't any data currently available, that I've heard of.

Well first of all, Is the universe infinite? as far as we know yes. So in an infinite universe, there is an infinite probability that sentient life is out there some where. The problem is, due to theory of relativity. light can only travel so fast, so planets that are millions of light years away are actually millions of yearsbehind our time, so its concievable that life could have evolved, grown, and destroyed itself(like we probably will) before we have any knowlege about it.

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This has been modeled out in various forms of scifi. As with every other aspect of life, available technology will determine what is possible.

If we are limited entirely to Einsteinian space, war would be all-or-nothing affairs - you can't call for reinforcements if they'd take 10 years to arrive. Nor can you move any significant population to the territory to take over, so the only real reason to engage in such a war would be to preempt a percieved threat. Look up Larry Niven's "A World Out of Time" to see what I mean.

Beyond this is something like David Drake's "Hammer's Slammers" series - space travel is expensive but possible. Suddenly every nation on Earth starts a colony as an item of national pride. Since most travel is still one-way, they generally don't see any return on investment.

The far end of the spectrum is something like Star Trek or Star Wars - any schmuck can wander off planet-hopping. Interstellar trade is feasable, but then so is interstellar government.

You'll note that none of my examples end with a peaceful galaxy

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Question: is there other life out there (specifically, intelligent tool-using life)? There isn't any data currently available, that I've heard of.

Not saying you are, but it would be very niave to think we are the only race living in this universe.

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Question: is there other life out there (specifically, intelligent tool-using life)? There isn't any data currently available, that I've heard of.Not saying you are, but it would be very niave to think we are the only race living in this universe.

I agree, but there is one question how man trillions and billions(99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999.....) spiecies are there.

But you can be sure that we are not alone!

The universe is infinite, it's just impossible that we are alone.

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Humans will have wars with other spicies, because humans only want more and more, humans haven't yet reached the level where they realize that wars are pointless.

P.S I'am sorry if I ofended anyone with this.

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No Change - we'll just fight each other for the "new" resources we find ......Politicians will still fight for influence and power, they'll just have a wider selection to dominate .....And we will still be that way until another Race comes along, kicks our Butt, and we might then - just might - develop some common sense and stop that nonsense.

I totally agree with you!

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it is never going to happen any way.. The Myians have it right, the world is going to end in 2012.

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As far as energy goes.
Fusion (not splicing) at room temperatures is becoming more and more feasible.
Fusion not giving any reactive waste products as opposed to nuclear waste, gives for a whole lotta energy.

To read about the part where they come close to fusion power @ room temperature, check here.
So let's say in about 50-100 years this is already implementable. That leaves travel.

Travel option:
Theoretical faster-than-light travel in Einsteinian space --> Link.

I'm sure that still leaves a whole lot of other things that need to be considered, but as a stepping stone, these real life examples can possibly add some realism to this thread.

on-topic, as far as politics go. Man kind will always hunger for power and possession. If it's not for resources, then it'll simply be to claim territory as much as possible where "Faction#" will "preach" their way-of-life (superior to others).
Way-of-life can also pertain to religion. Different beliefs and religion equals war.

An alien race, friendly or hostile, may yet be the best thing to ever happen to the human race.

Talking about other life... that question is almost easy

Watch this and this.
I think those say enough

GreetZ

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Mankind is destined for two things: self-anniliation or unification. I beleive if we are to unify we must dissolve nations entirely. To create you must destroy. That or we all die in a horrible nuclear war. As for other life, you have to know that for life to take place you need ideal conditions. Most scientists beleive that about 1% of the planets in the galaxy are suited for life and that doesn't include whatever species that might actually be intelligent life.

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I agree with your unification idea USSRman45. If we want to live to see "potent" sci-fi space travel and world colonization, we are going to have to recognize ourselves as Terrans not Americans or Germans or Russians or Iraqis etc.(I think you get my point)we are all just humans!

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Eventually, mankind will encounter an alien race somwhere that is just belligerent as hell. At that point, if humanity doesnt unify, we will just all die! There is no way the human race could adequately defend itself while fighting itself, so lets all hope we decide to unify when the time comes.

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The development of anti-matter ought to be fairly interest since theoretically it could be used either as fuel or as planet-game-over weaponry.

Personally, I believe that humanity will be somewhat similar to the aliens in Independence Day in that once we have the ability, we will hop from planet to planet exhausting its resources on the way. (except I don't think we would really annihilate an intelligent alien species just because they are in our way)

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Eventually some poor alien race will have the misfortune of encountering us and we, with our infinite moral wisdom will find them too deviant and barbaric for our liking and will be forced to liberate them from the tyranny of their hive-caste overlords and spread the blessings of democracy and "human" rights. Rinse and repeat until overextended and sapped by planetary rebellions. Unlock achievement by spreading our culture to over 75% of the galaxy.
A Tale of Two Planets
Our collective broadcasts from the past century have been received by a far off alien civilization, similar to ours in most respects. Reports of a warlike, cruel and intolerant race with a most dreadful taste in music is received by their respective governments, which immediately set aside all differences and form a unified world government to prevent what is know as World Wars and Holocaust from occurring on their world. They later intercept transmissions revealing a disturbing development know as an arms-race where two opposing groups devote every effort in developing world-ending weaponry. The aliens pray that such violent a race destroy itself swiftly, so to spare them of the cruelties of man. To safeguard their civilization, they draw all the resources of their world to develop the capacity for a pre-emptive strike. Their unity and fear for what might happen should they fail yield great results. Then one day, they intercept gangsta rap. In their shock and disgust for the depths of depravity these earthlings have fallen to, they come to the conclusion that man must be destroyed, for if given a chance man would surely bust a cap in their ass.
The next day our sun goes supernovae.
Epilogue
Upon calmer reflection of their actions, the aliens realize how shockingly human their actions were. Disgusted by the humanity of their behaviour, they forswear all pre-emptive annihilation and focus instead on spreading peace and tolerance to primitive races throughout the galaxy. We humans thus earn the distinction of causing the developments resulting in galactic peace. Grateful generations of aliens would say "they died for a peace and future they would not understand, much less enjoy, and we are fortunate for that."

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