What I think could happen to the US » Forum Post by Rolkar

DrathKar, Let me fill you on a little info. It is really easy to trash a idea AFTEAR IT HAPPEND. You should try to look at Trumans point of few. If you look at the Japanese army, which was one of the best in the world, they would fight to the death. which is hard enough without facing a well trained, battle hardend, and well motivated enemy. Why do you think we invented the Island hopping campaing, because we thought they should be left alone? WRONG, we did it because the Japanese army was hard core. My grand fathers were in the pacific campaign, they would probally would have died from the invasion of Japan if the bombs were not droped.I think more people would have been killed if we invaded. Also the thing about the Japense trying to surrneder before the bomb is full of it. It took TWO bombs to make them surrender, kind of tells you something.

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OR.....

The world will just get smashed by a huge asteroid nothing will matter expect for survival. Governments as we know it will cease to exist and the those that survived this global crisis will have to live MAD MAX style. (Dibs on being Mad Max)

2012 people.. Its coming.

OR.. nothing happens on 2012 and we continue to play video games and post topics of why the U.S. will fall.

Given an option, I'll take the asteroid.

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Also the thing about the Japense trying to surrneder before the bomb is full of it. It took TWO bombs to make them surrender, kind of tells you something.

So many arguments over those facts. One argument that I've heard (but not here) was that yes, SOME Japanese officials had talked about surrendering before the bombs were dropped (the other part wanted to fight), but it was only after the bombs that the ENTIRE Japanese goverment choosed to surrender.

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CobraA1 you have a funny form of logic.because if something happens consistantly and repeatedly its logical to assume its going to happen again.Fact USA has been involved in conflict outside its borders every year since WW2 ended.Fact USA actions have resulted in deaths of Innocent people/non combatants(whatever you want to call them) Every Year since ww2Now lets look at the first gulf war.Kuwit was stealing Iraq Oil by slant drilling across Iraq borders and into Iraq oilreserves..Suddam asked the US ambassador if it was alright if he attacked Kuait.The Response was that she could understand how He would want to protect his borders(Kuwait had also attacked iraq on a number of occasions)Suddam attacks Kuwait and is far more successful then the USA thought he could be(kuwait fell totaly and would become part of Iraq).USA has no problem with the middle east killing each other.. just with any side being successful.USA goes to the UN and asks them to invade iraq.They refuse on the grounds that Iraqs Attack agasint Kuwait was justified and the looting being carried out isnt sufficent grounds.USA goes and hires a private PR firm to make up a humans rights abuse story.The Result is a 15 year old girl gets up infront of the UN and liesThe UN decides on this new Testimony to goto war with IRAQ.As soon as Suddam learns there is a problem with his Invasion of Kuwait he happens to PULL OUT.The majority of Iraq soldiers killed wernt killed in action with Kuwait or UN forces, they were slaughtered while they were withdrawing.. and lets be honest.. it was murder.The USA LIED to the UNIT also told Suddam it had no problem with him taking miliary action agasint Kuwait.The USA also droped phamlets urging the iraq people to rise up.(its important to point out that suddam was known to torture and kill the familes of any resisters to his rule)Once the majority of Iraqs military was destroyed US and UN Pulled out, Suddams response agasint these people who rebelled agasint him was predictable, and hundreds of thousands are estimated to have been killed because they belived the USA and did indeed rise up only to be left in the lurch.One of the strongest sorce of local personal in IRAQ currently for anti US factions happens to be the suvivors and surviving families.They see the USA as Evil... do tell me.. are they wrong?Now PLEASE point out at WHICH point the USA acted with honor and within International Laws and with the best intrest of IRAQ or the Kuwait peoples.(hell they put suddam in power)TO add insult to injury the Public Inquiry into both the green light given to Suddam to invade and the Paying of a PR firm and the presenting of false information to the UN was found that NO one had done anything fundermentaly wrong and that no criminal charges should be laid.Now pick whatever conflict the US has been involved in Since world war 2 and I will present you with the same kind of actions.Then people use as there defence.. that THATS just what countries do and every country is corrupt and its just cause the USA is so big that everyone looks at its actions more then other countries.Well bugger me? does that make it right.. its like going into a prison of murderers and saying since everyone here is a murderer obviously its OK.How about we let them all go?Inhuman acts are INHUMAN actsMURDER IS MURDERAnyone who supports Murder are disgusting inhuman animals.Cut it which way you want, claim everyone does it, claim its normal.the US govement has been allowed and is continualy allowed by each generation of its people to commit acts that are downright foul and immoral.

I personally dislike you by just reading what you have to say about the United States, and in return the UN themselves.

If the US has violated so much International law, why haven't the countries done something? Why hasn't the UN done something to the United States? Oh yeah, for the most part the UN has always agreed with the US and their PoV and has always green lighted what we've done.

Australia must be like some golden country huh? Ya, they don't do anything wrong. What a load of crap.

If the United States are so "evil" then explain to me why Europe continues to be blind eyed to all these horrible horrible inhumane things and haven't rebelled against our obviously radical democracy. Please, give me a break.

War isn't inhumane and neither is killing. Killing innocent people for no reason IS inhumane. Dropping the bomb on Japan? Ok, and Pearl Harbor was completely humane right? Bombing innocent people in the sleep with a sneak attack? Real humane. Check your facts by the way, Japan did not surrender. The majority of Japan was still not surrendering until AFTER the bomb hit. The US even WARNED them with a smaller bomb on an adjacent island.

Rules of War have to be the dumbest things I've ever heard, ever. Maybe we would obey more International laws, and more rules to war if they haven't been repeatedly broken against us? Vietnam? WW2 (well, to Britain)? Germany was blowing up Britain civilian and military buildings for pretty much the majority of the battle of Britain. Check your history.

Speaking of WW2, we have NEVER received payment for WW2 and never have looked for it. We only made them "credit" the help because of not wanting to go into WW2 because we were coming out of a depression. You guys stopped the Japanese from expanding? I think thats what you said? Wow, way to go. We saved Britain and France and ended Japan with Hiroshima. You think gasing millions is humane? you honestly think that when someone goes to war they'll line up and take pot shots at each others army for years and years because the rules say they can't attack a civilian. Wars are advanced by extremes taken by both sides, they are started and ended because of extreme assaults on civilian and military infrastructure.

You think we would go to war over losing a battle ship? No.
We would be pissed and probably demand a reason and payment, but declare war? No.
Would we go to war over civilian causalties during peace-time? Hell yes ( 9/11, pearl harbor ring a bell? )

We were dragged into WW2 and your going to bring up inhumane bombings during WW2? World Wars are the least humane thing that could possible happen, tension between countries military build ups,political outrage and constant talking about the "inevitable"? You think that is humane? It makes people so jumpy that it pretty much causes war in itself between the countries own people.

And "the newish state", I'm not even going to comment on causalties between Israel and Muslim countries fighting over a piece of land. Lets just put it this way, how do you know who's a civilian and who's a terrorist when there is no distinct military outfit or chain of command that is REALLY known to the world? You get per speculation.

Go live in the delusion that America is the devil and is only trying to destroy the world with its inhumane ways, then go look at your government have no problems with us and continue to keep open relations and then tell me again how much America is nothing but a bad place.

To say that the American people are responsible for what the government does? Please, just close your mouth. That's like saying German citizens who were against the Nazi's but didn't fight in the resistance should be treated like Nazis. You can't control the government, if you could the country wouldn't be in a recession. You can only control so much and even that, can be rigged if there is enough money involved. ( Florida, ya Al Gore should be president. people in the US know what I'm talking about. )

There has yet to be a real democracy just like no one has ever really seen a true communist society, and no one ever will.

So go hold US citizens responsible for the war on terror, while your country condones it. Have fun with that.

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No we don't.

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Please don't feed the trolls. They have a nasty habit of becoming more aggresive, less coherent and may multiply.

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Please don't feed the trolls. They have a nasty habit of becoming more aggresive, less coherent and may multiply.

Now that is worth repeating!

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Rules of War have to be the dumbest things I've ever heard, ever. Maybe we would obey more International laws, and more rules to war if they haven't been repeatedly broken against us? Vietnam? WW2 (well, to Britain)? Germany was blowing up Britain civilian and military buildings for pretty much the majority of the battle of Britain. Check your history.

You should do just that. During the battle of Britain, German aircraft sent to attack the Thames Haven Refineries strayed over target and unloaded their bombs over the city instead. The RAF raided Berlin in retaliation, infuriating Hitler which started The Blitz, so it was really Britain which began bombing civilian targets (unless you count Guernica but it doesn't count as who you refer to as "us").
By "us" you refer to the USA, which I believe was one of the first countries (technically just a militia then) to practise "dishonourable" tactics such as sniping officers and insurgent warfare, but now laments the "cowardly and dishonourable" tactics of insurgents who have the nerve not to die.
[quote]You think we would go to war over losing a battle ship? No.
We would be pissed and probably demand a reason and payment, but declare war? No.
Would we go to war over civilian causalties during peace-time? Hell yes ( 9/11, pearl harbor ring a bell? )[quote]
actually you would go to war over losing a battleship, or simply an attack on a ship for that matter if you felt so inclined (think USS MADDOX). You are surely reading some strange history books if you interpret Pearl Harbour as an attack directed against civilian targets. Neither did you go to war over 9/11, as there was no one to declare war against (unless you think it's Iraq and the axis of evil, and if you do, I can't help you).
I know Americans are very nice people, even if they hold a weird perspective and I do cringe whenever someone rants on about how terrible people of X nation are because of atrocities committed at any point in history.
In my opinion it doesn't matter whether war X was justified or not, as long as you could win it and make everyone believe that it was. Arguments about the atomic bombing of Japan usually takes the position of "lives were saved", "the fanatics were convinced" or "we did it to scare ppl". Think about any alternatives like a naval blockade, or continued bomber offensive or letting the soviets invade instead, or a combination of any of these could have brought the war to an end with a less than unconditional surrender. What these options could not produce however is a swift unconditional surrender, which the USA needed. The quick surrender of Japan allowed the USA to quickly stem the expansion of the Soviet sphere of influence in asia, which the other available options would have permitted. I make no comment as to whether it is morally justifiable to kill civilians in such a terrible display of violence. But I do have doubts as to whether the second bomb had to be delivered in within three days of the first (no, your "they were suicidal fanatics" argument does not justify why so little time was given to consider and negotiate the terms of surrender when Japan could have been blockaded indefinitely). What I do believe was that the use of the atomic bomb was a brilliant strategic move to quickly end the war so soviet expansion could be halted and that America was in a more favourable position for the Cold War.

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US going to war over loss of a battle ship.. Spanish american war 1898 Triggered by the sinking of the Maine. (later proven to have been an explosion in the boiler room and not an attack)

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Also the thing about the Japense trying to surrneder before the bomb is full of it. It took TWO bombs to make them surrender, kind of tells you something.So many arguments over those facts. One argument that I've heard (but not here) was that yes, SOME Japanese officials had talked about surrendering before the bombs were dropped (the other part wanted to fight), but it was only after the bombs that the ENTIRE Japanese goverment choosed to surrender.

The point people miss here is that Japan had long offered a surrender which wasn't the total unconditional surrender that the Allies demanded. Bombs fell within three days of each other so there is nothing to show that the second was necessary rather than waiting for the Japanese government to consider the implications of the first.

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I am sick of people that dont know what they are talking about stating "fact"

In this case arguing with historical documents and President comments of the time.

US doesnt commit warcrimes?

http://deoxy.org/wc/warcrime.htm

US Doesnt commit warcrimes?
Why did bush pardon himself over any warcrimes he may have helped commit or ordered during his tenue as President?

US doesnt commit warcrimes on a regular basis or intend to?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/aug/17/usa.warcrimes

Why did the US congress feel the need to give its military forces Immunity for warcrimes?

US doesnt attempt to cover up its warcrimes?
The largest violent and hateful genocide in the history of humanity, wasnt Hitlers killing of the jews.

It was the genocide of Native American Indians in what became the USA.
How many americans get taught that there ancestors were more bloody violent spiteful hateful and downright disgusting then Hitler?.

US doesnt support terrorists, rewrite change or outright violate both international and internal law?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States

Further information about it
http://libcom.org/history/1970-1987-the-contra-war-in-nicaragua

I have nothing mroe to say, world opinion of national bodies, all the evidence in the world, the lieing of US Govements to its own people.
Cant convince the majority of Americans.

Its not that these people dont truely believe.
Its that they are to lazy and to self absorbed to take responsablity and to act.
So they refuse to believe because if they do it means THEY are evil.

Self Delusion of over 300 million people.

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I am sick of people that dont know what they are talking about stating "fact"In this case arguing with historical documents and President comments of the time.US doesnt commit warcrimes?http://deoxy.org/wc/warcrime.htmUS Doesnt commit warcrimes?Why did bush pardon himself over any warcrimes he may have helped commit or ordered during his tenue as President?US doesnt commit warcrimes on a regular basis or intend to?http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/aug/17/usa.warcrimesWhy did the US congress feel the need to give its military forces Immunity for warcrimes?US doesnt attempt to cover up its warcrimes?The largest violent and hateful genocide in the history of humanity, wasnt Hitlers killing of the jews.It was the genocide of Native American Indians in what became the USA.How many americans get taught that there ancestors were more bloody violent spiteful hateful and downright disgusting then Hitler?.US doesnt support terrorists, rewrite change or outright violate both international and internal law?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_StatesFurther information about ithttp://libcom.org/history/1970-1987-the-contra-war-in-nicaraguaI have nothing mroe to say, world opinion of national bodies, all the evidence in the world, the lieing of US Govements to its own people.Cant convince the majority of Americans.Its not that these people dont truely believe.Its that they are to lazy and to self absorbed to take responsablity and to act.So they refuse to believe because if they do it means THEY are evil.Self Delusion of over 300 million people.

Of course we dont want to take responabilty for what happens. Why do you think we elect people to take care of are problems?

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I am sick of people that dont know what they are talking about stating "fact"In this case arguing with historical documents and President comments of the time.US doesnt commit warcrimes?http://deoxy.org/wc/warcrime.htmUS Doesnt commit warcrimes?Why did bush pardon himself over any warcrimes he may have helped commit or ordered during his tenue as President?US doesnt commit warcrimes on a regular basis or intend to?http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/aug/17/usa.warcrimesWhy did the US congress feel the need to give its military forces Immunity for warcrimes?US doesnt attempt to cover up its warcrimes?The largest violent and hateful genocide in the history of humanity, wasnt Hitlers killing of the jews.It was the genocide of Native American Indians in what became the USA.How many americans get taught that there ancestors were more bloody violent spiteful hateful and downright disgusting then Hitler?.US doesnt support terrorists, rewrite change or outright violate both international and internal law?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_StatesFurther information about ithttp://libcom.org/history/1970-1987-the-contra-war-in-nicaraguaI have nothing mroe to say, world opinion of national bodies, all the evidence in the world, the lieing of US Govements to its own people.Cant convince the majority of Americans.Its not that these people dont truely believe.Its that they are to lazy and to self absorbed to take responsablity and to act.So they refuse to believe because if they do it means THEY are evil.Self Delusion of over 300 million people.

Don’t worry, we know your mind is already made up, we would never try to confuse you with facts, you’re not worth it, you’re just some snotty little kid in Australia who wants someone to hate so that you don't have to face your own personal inadequacies.

Glad we could be of servic to ya.

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SpacePony
I aint a kid, your the guy who for some reason thought I was 18?

Of course its made up, the evidence is overwhelming.

I will add one thing.

Under United Nations law
The US citizins(every UN country actually) are required to take affrimative action agasint there govement if it attempts or is involved in a list of offences which include agressive war, cival and human rights, torture and abuse.

As it was signed by the US President at the time it is actually infact US LAW and by NOT doing something about what is going the US people are criminals both under US law and International law.
Every US citizin is not entitled to vote

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that is what made me think you were 18, your profile. being thqat your not a kid then i guess your just a nut case.. tell ya what, with so much anti american hatred what say I buy you a plain ticket to afganistan, let you go trian with your buddies for awhile, then I will be glad to commit a few American War Crimes directly on you.

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The US has become like the Roman empire. The government is corrupt; it no longer serves the people. We have military stationed in 100s of countries. Government has become bloated and we have overextended ourselves.

And by supplying weapons to terrorist nations such as Israel, the US has made lots of enemies. We invade other countries; depose their leaders and manipulate their governments. The US helped to overthrew the lawful and democratically elected government in Iran shortly after WW2 and replaced it with a puppet dictatorship for the purpose of oil. The US gave weapons to terrorists such as Osama Bin Laden.

The US imposes double-standards. While we insist on inspecting Iran for so-called weapons of mass destruction, Israel is given a free pass (despite the fact that they themselves are developing nuclear weapons). While we balk at countries like North Korea when they work on nuclear weapons, we maintain one of the largest stockpiles of them in the world. Such blatant hypocriscy does little to foster good relations.

Our meddling directly resulted in 9/11. We supplied weapons to Israel which they then aggressively used against their Arab neighbors and we helped Israel occupy lands considered holy to the Islamic religion. Do not believe the propaganda that the US was attacked because these terrorists hate our way of life or because they hate democracy. We were attacked because we committed acts of war against them; we armed their sworn enemies. We got involved in a conflict that did not concern us and we paid the price much as we did with Pearl Harbor.

Unless the current course of action is reversed, and soon, the US will go the way of the Roman Empire. Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

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@ Drathkar
If you were running the US as president (God forbid) currently, then what would you be doing now?

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The US has become like the Roman empire. The government is corrupt; it no longer serves the people. We have military stationed in 100s of countries. Government has become bloated and we have overextended ourselves.And by supplying weapons to terrorist nations such as Israel, the US has made lots of enemies. We invade other countries; depose their leaders and manipulate their governments. The US helped to overthrew the lawful and democratically elected government in Iran shortly after WW2 and replaced it with a puppet dictatorship for the purpose of oil. The US gave weapons to terrorists such as Osama Bin Laden.The US imposes double-standards. While we insist on inspecting Iran for so-called weapons of mass destruction, Israel is given a free pass (despite the fact that they themselves are developing nuclear weapons). While we balk at countries like North Korea when they work on nuclear weapons, we maintain one of the largest stockpiles of them in the world. Such blatant hypocriscy does little to foster good relations.Our meddling directly resulted in 9/11. We supplied weapons to Israel which they then aggressively used against their Arab neighbors and we helped Israel occupy lands considered holy to the Islamic religion. Do not believe the propaganda that the US was attacked because these terrorists hate our way of life or because they hate democracy. We were attacked because we committed acts of war against them; we armed their sworn enemies. We got involved in a conflict that did not concern us and we paid the price much as we did with Pearl Harbor.Unless the current course of action is reversed, and soon, the US will go the way of the Roman Empire. Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Let’s set one thing straight here. The Arabs attacked Israel on the day it was created, they lost, they have been whining about it ever since. If they did not want to be occupied then they should not have attacked them. To call Israel a terrorist state is like is like calling Cuba a hot bed of Capitalistic thought.

All you anti Semites out there really need to take off your swastikas for a few moments. Most of the current Arab Governments are run by people who were brought to power by those who were working with Hitler. And before you go on with “back that up” I already have on more than one thread on this forum so go look it up.
Stop your goose stepping and go learn who it is running the show over there. The Nazi’s are alive and well and every time you buy into the nonsense about Israel being a terrorist state you are enabling the continued rise of the specter of Adolf Hitler and his ideology.

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Israel is an illegitimate country to begin with. If the United Nations carved out a portion of the US and gave it to an ethnic group who then instituted an apartheid government and waged war against us, you'd be upset too. The United Nations along with the US and other allied nations railroaded Arab nations and kicked Arabs out of the land they had been occupying for thousands of years.

Israel's neighbors have tried to make peace with them. Israel is the one that is not interested in peace. They've more than doubled the size of their borders since their illegitimate inception.

The Arab nations didn't attack the USS Liberty. The Arab nations didn't run over peace activist Rachael Corrie with a bulldozer (twice for good measure at that). The Arab nations aren't the ones using children as human shields. Israel's Arab neighbors don't go around kidnapping people from other countries (Nuclear weapons whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu comes to mind).

Oh and, newsflash : Arabs are semetic peoples as well. Before calling me an anti-semite, you may wish to familiarize yourself with what the term semeitic means. The Pro-Israel lobby has twisted that term around and used it to scare away people who dare to criticize them and their "country".

The US has become like the Roman empire. The government is corrupt; it no longer serves the people. We have military stationed in 100s of countries. Government has become bloated and we have overextended ourselves.And by supplying weapons to terrorist nations such as Israel, the US has made lots of enemies. We invade other countries; depose their leaders and manipulate their governments. The US helped to overthrew the lawful and democratically elected government in Iran shortly after WW2 and replaced it with a puppet dictatorship for the purpose of oil. The US gave weapons to terrorists such as Osama Bin Laden.The US imposes double-standards. While we insist on inspecting Iran for so-called weapons of mass destruction, Israel is given a free pass (despite the fact that they themselves are developing nuclear weapons). While we balk at countries like North Korea when they work on nuclear weapons, we maintain one of the largest stockpiles of them in the world. Such blatant hypocriscy does little to foster good relations.Our meddling directly resulted in 9/11. We supplied weapons to Israel which they then aggressively used against their Arab neighbors and we helped Israel occupy lands considered holy to the Islamic religion. Do not believe the propaganda that the US was attacked because these terrorists hate our way of life or because they hate democracy. We were attacked because we committed acts of war against them; we armed their sworn enemies. We got involved in a conflict that did not concern us and we paid the price much as we did with Pearl Harbor.Unless the current course of action is reversed, and soon, the US will go the way of the Roman Empire. Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.Let’s set one thing straight here. The Arabs attacked Israel on the day it was created, they lost, they have been whining about it ever since. If they did not want to be occupied then they should not have attacked them. To call Israel a terrorist state is like is like calling Cuba a hot bed of Capitalistic thought.All you anti Semites out there really need to take off your swastikas for a few moments. Most of the current Arab Governments are run by people who were brought to power by those who were working with Hitler. And before you go on with “back that up” I already have on more than one thread on this forum so go look it up.Stop your goose stepping and go learn who it is running the show over there. The Nazi’s are alive and well and every time you buy into the nonsense about Israel being a terrorist state you are enabling the continued rise of the specter of Adolf Hitler and his ideology.

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This has got to be the greatest thread ever. We've got people denying other peoples rights to exist or live in peace. We have people saying that murder is a crime and inhumane and then scream for genocide of a race. We have people here who think war should be handing flowers to the other side and giving hugs. We have people who say facts from one source are corrupt and then use the same said source to state their own facts. We have people who seem to think their ass smells like flowers and candy and that others all need to die since they all must stink. We have people saying one race, one religion, and one government is illegitimate and should all be destroyed while praising another race and religion and government. We have people going on and on and on about how evil and vile and criminal one nation of people is all the while praising his own and how much they've helped the world along. We have people debating how great hindsight is and how they know without a doubt that the people before them MUST have made the wrong choices. We have people claiming one race of people use children as shields and praise the race that fights them who strap bombs to mentally retarded people. We have people claiming that one nation goes around and kidnaps people but forgets all about people like daniel pearl. Oh yeah, sorry, forgot it was the Swedes who did that. Nevermind that. As I said before, See you all in hell friends.

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Israel is an illegitimate country to begin with. If the United Nations carved out a portion of the US and gave it to an ethnic group who then instituted an apartheid government and waged war against us, you'd be upset too. The United Nations along with the US and other allied nations railroaded Arab nations and kicked Arabs out of the land they had been occupying for thousands of years.[/quote]

Wrong, The British did not ask The United Nations to get involved until April 1947 just a little more than thirty days before Israel was created
On 14 May 1948, Israel proclaimed its independence. Less than 24 hours later, the regular armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq invaded the country, forcing Israel to defend the sovereignty it had regained in its ancestral homeland.

Dr. Victor Chi Tsai Hoo,
United Nations,
Lake Success New York
2 April 1947
Sir,

I have received the following message from my Government:
"His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom request the Secretary-General of the United Nations to place the question of Palestine on the agenda of the General Assembly at its next regular annual session. They will submit to the Assembly an account of their administration of the League of Nations mandate and will ask the Assembly to make recommendations, under Article 10 of the Charter, concerning the future government of Palestine.

In making this request, His Majesty's Government draw the attention of the Secretary-General to the desirability of an early settlement in Palestine and to the risk that the General Assembly might not be able to decide upon its recommendations at its next regular annual session unless some preliminary study of the question had previously been made under the auspices of the United Nations. They therefore request the Secretary-General to summon, as soon as possible, a special session of the General Assembly for the purpose of constituting and instructing a special committee to prepare for the consideration, at the regular session of the Assembly, of the question referred to in the preceding paragraph."
I have the honour to be ...
(Signed) Alexander Cadogan

During the first months of 1949, direct negotiations were conducted under UN auspices between Israel and each of the invading countries (except Iraq, which refused to negotiate with Israel), resulting in armistice agreements which reflected the situation at the end of the fighting.
That would place U.N. involvement AFTER THE WAR.

[qupte]Israel's neighbors have tried to make peace with them.[/quote]
My Lord are you really that foolish that you would make this statement in public and not know that you are a fool?

The only countries that have tried to make peace with Israel are Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. All three have peace treaties with Israel.

The only other times any Arab country has tried to make peace is when they were facing destruction.

It’s like Sadam when he was captured saying “I am ready to negotiate the terms of my surrender” Really, no kidding, Now you want to negotiate?

Israel is the one that is not interested in peace. They've more than doubled the size of their borders since their illegitimate inception.

Yes only doubled their size. And just how much land have they returned?

The Arab nations didn't attack the USS Liberty.

Neither did the Pope

The Arab nations didn't run over peace activist Rachael Corrie with a bulldozer (twice for good measure at that).

Your right & they also did not attack pearl harbor in 1941

The Arab nations aren't the ones using children as human shields.

Your right, they strap bombs onto their children and send them out to murder other children.

Israel's Arab neighbors don't go around kidnapping people from other countries (Nuclear weapons whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu comes to mind).

Your right they just put a fatwa on them

Oh and, newsflash : Arabs are semetic peoples as well. Before calling me an anti-semite, you may wish to familiarize yourself with what the term semeitic means.

Nice try. But you fail in your effort to deflect attention away from the truth. You are an anti-Semite, I will go further than that to say you are obviously a Jew Hater, most likely you are a card carrying Nazi.
A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.
1. A Jew.
2. Bible A descendant of Shem.

The Pro-Israel lobby has twisted that term around and used it to scare away people who dare to criticize them and their "country". The nazis controlling the arab nations propaganda is patently false as well.

Wrong, I have sited my sources as well. It is an undisputed (except by the Nazis themselves) fact that the current government of Syria is directly operated by what is now a second generation of leaders who trace their very political existence directly to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party. Most specifically the Mufti of Palestine. Listed below is a link to a video that will provide you with some background.

I am certain you will not bother to look at the anti-Nazi propaganda but others will
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d51poygEXYU

Merely being opposed to zionism does not make one a nazi. And do not forget that history is written by the winners.

True, but you did not make anti-Zionist statements you spouted Nazi rhetoric. And as part of your second comment what are you insinuating with the remark about winners writing history? Are you implying that the holocaust did not occur? (Nazi rhetoric)
That Hitler was not as bad as people say? (Nazi rhetoric)
That the Motif of Palestine and founder of the modern Arab nationalist movement was not a Nazi?
Please carify.

Zi•on•ism (zī'ə-nĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key
n. A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.

The US has become like the Roman empire.

Same tired old nonsense.

The government is corrupt

Yawn

it no longer serves the people.

Another yawn

We have military stationed in 100s of countries.

Hundreds you say? Really? Hundreds? Wow how many countries are their one earth? At last count I was only aware of 189. Gee guess we are like the roman empire after all, we are in every county on earth and a few more besides..

Government has become bloated and we have overextended ourselves.And by supplying weapons to terrorist nations such as Israel, the US has made lots of enemies

Point one: Yawn
Point two: Yawn
Point three: I agree, we have made a lot of you Nazi lovers our enemies.

. We invade other countries; depose their leaders and manipulate their governments. The US helped to overthrew the lawful and democratically elected government in Iran shortly after WW2 and replaced it with a puppet dictatorship for the purpose of oil.

I almost fell over backwards on this one... You finally got one right!

The US gave weapons to terrorists such as Osama Bin Laden.

Remove the “such as” We gave weapons to him. To fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

The US imposes double-standards. While we insist on inspecting Iran for so-called weapons of mass destruction, Israel is given a free pass (despite the fact that they themselves are developing nuclear weapons).

Bad example and wrong again Israel is not developing nuclear weapons, they already have them

While we balk at countries like North Korea when they work on nuclear weapons, we maintain one of the largest stockpiles of them in the world.

Again you keep misrepresenting the facts. We do not maintain “one of” the largest stockpiles, we maintain THE LARGEST STOCKPILE!

Such blatant hypocriscy does little to foster good relations.Our meddling directly resulted in 9/11. We supplied weapons to Israel which they then aggressively used against their Arab neighbors and we helped Israel occupy lands considered holy to the Islamic religion.

Yes we did provide them weapons that they have used to preserve their existence from your Nazi friends.

Do not believe the propaganda that the US was attacked because these terrorists hate our way of life or because they hate democracy.

Partly true, it was because we are not Muslims.

We were attacked because we committed acts of war against them;

Yes, we have committed acts of war against the Nazis, and we shall continue to commit acts of war against the Nazis.

we armed their sworn enemies.

True, we have armed many a people who are the sworn enemy of those Nazis.

We got involved in a conflict that did not concern us and we paid the price much as we did with Pearl Harbor.

Yes, you’re right. How dare we attempt to stop them from conquering the world and marching us all into gas chambers when they run out of Jews to kill?

Unless the current course of action is reversed, and soon, the US will go the way of the Roman Empire.

You mean we will go down in History as the single most powerful civilization in all of recorded history?
News flash, we already have them beat.

{quote] Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat

Sig heil to that my friend sig heil!

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This has got to be the greatest thread ever. We've got people denying other peoples rights to exist or live in peace. We have people saying that murder is a crime and inhumane and then scream for genocide of a race. We have people here who think war should be handing flowers to the other side and giving hugs. We have people who say facts from one source are corrupt and then use the same said source to state their own facts. We have people who seem to think their ass smells like flowers and candy and that others all need to die since they all must stink. We have people saying one race, one religion, and one government is illegitimate and should all be destroyed while praising another race and religion and government. We have people going on and on and on about how evil and vile and criminal one nation of people is all the while praising his own and how much they've helped the world along. We have people debating how great hindsight is and how they know without a doubt that the people before them MUST have made the wrong choices. We have people claiming one race of people use children as shields and praise the race that fights them who strap bombs to mentally retarded people. We have people claiming that one nation goes around and kidnaps people but forgets all about people like daniel pearl. Oh yeah, sorry, forgot it was the Swedes who did that. Nevermind that. As I said before, See you all in hell friends.

I am not 100% sure if it was you or someone else i said this too, but I shall repeat it and direct it to you personaly...

You Sir, Shall not see me in Hell because I will not let you in! So there..

and not just any flower but a ROSE and where do you get this candy stuff from? That is supposed to be used to hurl homophobic remarks at someone not used as a positve concerning smell!!!

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Give me candy or give me genocide....screw it, just give me a nice big asteroid the size of the moon hitting the planet and killing EVERY SINGLE STUPID MOTHER...Goodbye 99.999999999% of the human race. Oh, and happy MOTHERS day.

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DrathKar, Let me fill you on a little info. It is really easy to trash a idea AFTEAR IT HAPPEND. You should try to look at Trumans point of few. If you look at the Japanese army, which was one of the best in the world, they would fight to the death. which is hard enough without facing a well trained, battle hardend, and well motivated enemy. Why do you think we invented the Island hopping campaing, because we thought they should be left alone? WRONG, we did it because the Japanese army was hard core. My grand fathers were in the pacific campaign, they would probally would have died from the invasion of Japan if the bombs were not droped.I think more people would have been killed if we invaded. Also the thing about the Japense trying to surrneder before the bomb is full of it. It took TWO bombs to make them surrender, kind of tells you something.

The island hopping campaign was developed because we needed the airfield and an uncontested presence in the pacific. You are correct though, the atom bombs saved countless American lives. The first bomb probably would have been enough, but the second solidified the American resolve to go as far, if not a little further than needed to accomplish our goals. As for inhumane acts and war crimes go a good bit of it all depends on who is reporting the information and from what point of view. Someone critical of the war in Iraq could say that a cordon and knock operation on a suspected insurgent safehouse was an invasion of privacy and that we destroyed all the furniture and damaged the target building itself. What really happened was that we knocked on the door and asked for cooperation before we went in (they had no choice, but it is always nice to ask and be polite instead of telling them they have no choice) and that if there was no evidence of insurgent activity we paid for and applied all necessary repairs. If we shoot a vehicle as part of our escalation of force procedures we pay for it, provided there is no evidence of insurgent activity. We build schools, hospitals, water pumps, electrical plants and even give out cold water on hot days just because we are nice and happen to be there. If you have not been there to witness the war crimes do not talk about them as if they are real. Those of you that have been there to witness it I am sorry that it happened and those responsible for it should be brought to justice. Some things that are considered war crimes, such as aggressive war making (someone earlier on this board referred to the Iraq invasion in 2004 as aggressive war making) are necessary for self protection and national security.

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We build schools, hospitals, water pumps, electrical plants and even give out cold water on hot days just because we are nice and happen to be there

Yes, we're doing a wonderful job, near-frequent brownouts/blackouts (much worse than Saddam's days) and scarce access to fresh water.

Hey, I totaled your car, but man was it generous of me to leave that $20 check.

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