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So I got banned from Eve.

So I got banned from Eve.

A lesson in irony...

I saw a link for a 21 day trial to Eve, and decided that was too good to pass up.  I've subbed to the game before a couple times, and although it got boring after a while, its still not bad to play for a month or two at a time.

Just in case anyone isn't familiar with Eve.  Its a ruthless sandbox space MMO, filled with piracy, player politics on a level you may not believe, espionage, treachery, deceit, profiteering, and any other despicable act a human being is capable of in a freeform MMO with player "owned" space and economy, as well as unconsentual PvP.


I'll breifly describe a few of the daily occurances in the game.  First up, Suicide Ganking.  You and some of your buddies equip "throw away" ships and blow some noob's brand new and expensive craft up, before the police can kill you.  Then we have the ever popular Baitcanning (or is it Canbaiting?).  Jettison some piece of expensive cargo into space, rename the container to "Free stuff!!" and wait in your battlship of death for some noob to grab it.  Soon as they do, you are allowed to blast them into dust.  Then there is the ever popular, Can Flipping.  Go around in your small and weak looking ship, stealing the cargo of noobs, hoping they in turn, will try to blast you into dust.  As soon as they do, you zip away back to a spacestation and hop into your battleship of death, return, and blast the noob into dust instead.  And lastly that I'll mention, is Gate Camping.  Certain star systems in the game are bottlenecks between "carebear" high security space, and open pvp, low security space.  Good luck getting into these systems though, as there are nearly always groups of players that do nothing but sit at these systems day in and day out, waiting for noobies to venture out.  As soon as their heads poke through, a cruise missile in the face is there to greet them.

So, holding people ransom for millions of dollars, threatening to blow up their ships/and or escape pods, tricking players into joining a corp (guild) that has had war declared on it by another corp, getting different characters into other corps for the sole purpose of blowing up your own fleet with smartbombs, and any other such act in Eve is perfectly acceptable, and is in fact, encouraged.  Its what makes Eve, Eve.  In fact the Dev's themselves have often gotten into the act.  There is a plethora of articles out there about how the CCP Dev's have "stirred the pot" of their own game. 


But... what you can't do in Eve, apparently, is say the F word, or call a girl fat.  Because in Eve, you know, that game I was just describing up there, the Dev's care about the sensitivity of their players.  Curse words and derogatory statements go against the spirit of an otherwise clean and friendly game. Some players feel that even though they can mute you in chat, the game would be much better off without someone saying adult words, or poking fun at others.  So, in order to protect all the innocent children that play Eve, certain players rallied together to petition me enough to get me permantly banned.  In game currency was even exchanged.  A certain "fat" girl paid handsomely to those who sent in petitions.  I found this out when I started a new trial account.  A couple of the people involved in the banning were so excited, they couldn't help but brag about it.  And again, that type of behavior is perfectly acceptable in Eve.


I actually wanted to continue to play the game, too.  I had planned on renewing my subscription as soon as the trial was over.  I'm basically waving my consumer dollars around in a sultry "take me now, im so hot" kind of way.  I've petitioned the GM's twice now (as many times as is allowed), and after 5 days, my petition status is still open.  It took less than 15 minutes to get banned, however.  So the message is clear.  They don't want me in Eve.  I guess my foul mouth and I are just too offensive for that upstanding and mature group of cheaters, pirates, market fixers, spies, liars, extortionists, backstabbers and egomaniacs.


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Reply #51 Top
I have to agree with Katman, although of course without the comments that make me want to compare you to the gamer guy in "make love not warcraft." just kidding.

the fact is life in EVE is tough. DEAL WITH IT. at least in EVE u can just STOP PLAYING. if this is how u behave in real life, i pity your freinds and all who know you. so u got banned big whoop. instead of complaining here, which i oddly have no problem with. keep petioning. if you have to call customer support, or somehting along those lines. act mature for godsakes.

and also leave Kastronida alone, he may be whinny, sorry Kastronida, but at least he knows what hes talking about and is willing to say it. whether or not you agree with it HE IS RIGHT, you break the rules. it may sound lame "but if you cant do the time, dont do the crime."
Reply #52 Top
Zamiel7
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Look, since there seems to be an apparent lack of maturity going on here right now (regardless of your chronological/intellectual age) let me just say something. First of all, I have been playing EVE for just about one year now and have thoroughly enjoyed my time there. I will also say that not once in my entire EVE career have I ever been victimized by any of these occurences nor do I know anyone that has. This is primarily because most of these traps are entirely avoidable if you have even the slightest bit of common sense and know-how, which even a noob can possess should they try. As for those that are not entirely avoidable, like gate camps for instance, they can be circumvented and I have done so on a myriad of occasions. As for more veteran players taking advantage of new players by destroying their new ships with other worthless ones, that is by no means a regular occurence in high security space, if only because most veteran players could care less and those that would try it often are unable to get the kill before being obliterated by Concord (police) which acts instantaneously. Besides, players can insure their ships so they don't lose as much money, which is what any intelligent person would do anyway.As for your getting banned for what you deemed an unsuitable reason in lieu of other more supposedly "vile" practices, please allow me to inform you of a little fact of life. By downloading and playing the game you are in fact required to play by the rules outlined. If you don't like or find them unfair, you don't have to play the game, no one's forcing you. If you want to play the game but don't like the rules, well tough luck, suck it up or get out. Coincidentally, that's how the real world operates as well, who'd have thought?In closing, please allow me to say that while internet forums are an excellent medium for channeling your frustration at life, please be considerate of other people who by virtue of not having lives (I jest of course) are forced into reading your misleading and misdirected tyraid.

Well, since you never saw it, guess it must not be true huh?  Lemme ask you something.  Have you ever seen the continent of Antarctica?  No?  Guess it doesn't exist then.  Logic is fun.
Your claims of "common sense" mean nothing in Eve.  I spend all my time in the game in the newbie channels and noobie area, and the same circumstances happen day in and day out, nonstop.  What you fail to see, with your one year old blinders on, is that your current position the game is overshadowing your own experience when you were new.  You are more than likely in low sec space the vast majority of the time.  I highly doubt that you came into the game with the foreknowledge of greifer tactics, insurance, and even how to fit your ship.  And trust me, I see (or saw) the affliction I coin "veteran's disease" every day.  You claim may be true, but it is most definitely an exception, and not the rule. 
In fact, I suspect you of being one of those people in Eve who tries to get new players into the game by painting the picture of Eve being such a warm and fuzzy game, then getting on TeamSpeak to call your buddies into Nalvula.  But... something like that would never happen in Eve, right?
I'm fully aware of the EULA and its implications.  I never said my banning was unsuitable, merely ironic.  You know, because everyone follows every rule in the EULA every day, even the Devs, right?
 
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You bring up a good point in terms of the fact that I don't necessarily see all that goes on, I'll give you that. However, you are wrong in the fact that I try to paint of picture of EVE that is not accurate. It is a cut throat game and it does have a very high learning curve and as such I understand full well that less scrupulous players may take advantage of the new. Yet I feel this is still not what I would call a common occurence and you yourself admit that you spent most of the time in the noobie channels where complaints and questions are essentially the only topics covered. In that sense your field of vision is narrowed as well. Forgive if I sounded condescending, my intention was to insure that people who are unfamilar with the game didn't get the wrong idea from your generalization.

Honestly, I don't agree with why you were banned, I think it is an over reaction and down right silly. I just think the picture you paint of the game as a result of your frustration is unfair and the game deserves better.
Reply #53 Top
I have to agree with Katman, although of course without the comments that make me want to compare you to the gamer guy in "make love not warcraft." just kidding. the fact is life in EVE is tough. DEAL WITH IT. at least in EVE u can just STOP PLAYING. if this is how u behave in real life, i pity your freinds and all who know you. so u got banned big whoop. instead of complaining here, which i oddly have no problem with. keep petioning. if you have to call customer support, or somehting along those lines. act mature for godsakes.and also leave Kastronida alone, he may be whinny, sorry Kastronida, but at least he knows what hes talking about and is willing to say it. whether or not you agree with it HE IS RIGHT, you break the rules. it may sound lame "but if you cant do the time, dont do the crime."
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Rofl. He did quit. Only forcefully. ;p
Reply #54 Top

I've played Eve twice.  I was part of the beta before it released (and released early, I might add - they supressed the bug pop up window so no one would immediately know they were there).  Those were some good times.

 

A couple of the first pirates, Stavr0s and Ys set the tone for piracy.  Back then Concord didn't exist, so they were popping players as they entered the game for the first time.  Some GM tried to come in game with some badass ship to control the situatiuon, and they pod killed him...lol.

 

Back then you could find high level asteroids in relatively high sec space (certainly higher than 0.0)  So much has changed.

 

The corp I was in fell prey to internal piracy.  We were one of the first with an Apocalypse BP and mined like crazy every night to crank them out.  This dude in the corp took everything we had worked for.  Back then, there was very little control over the corp hangars, so it was way easier to get robbed from the inside.  Wow did that suck! :P  Were I to renew my account, I still have my Apoc (which is largely useless since I haven't been training all this time, and my mods are hopelessly outdated.  When I renewed the first time, I had no idea where I had last logged out.  I was deep in 0.0 with the Apoc and had to work my way back to high sec with no mods to speak of.  That was an intense trip, but I made it! :)

 

The problem with Eve is that it's a pretty boring game in high sec space, and subterfuge is so bad that getting into an established corp where you'd have some high end support is tough - or at least it was.  Maybe it's better now.  To make the problem worse, people that have played the whole time are so far above you in training, that catching up to even be slightly competitive in a fight would take a year at least of playing the boring high sec game.  You can't speed your training any (like by playing more often) so catching up is not in your immediate control.

 

It can be a really fun game, but if you're just starting, don't plan on being in the thick of it any time soon.

 

Oh...I worked for the events team for a while (which was a joke and another topic) but as such, I had access to all the other teams as well.  No one got banned for calling someone fat or saying "fuck."  I agree with the others that said something else must have happened.

Reply #55 Top
Sorry to hear that. Terrible thing, these sensitivity treatments. You see while experience gamer can shrug it off, hell even get a smile on their face when they get a rise out of someone over the internet, most people just can't handle it. Some will quit, which leads to loss of revenue, and these games being businesses cannot allow that!

I think if I ever ran a MMO, I would turn it into a nonprofit, so I can allow greater freedom hehehe.
Reply #56 Top
Really good honest post OckhamsRazor and to answer your question no it hasnt changed in the way you ask about. You bring up some really good points, it is boring as a newbie from months to a year because they are stuck in high sec, well the majority are unless you have a low sec friend in a high corp position who is willing to babysit you all the time. Also I concur that knowone ever got banned for swearing, the only way I can see it happening is for consistantly swearing in newbie chat when a GM is on then swearing at the GM, even at that I think they just ban the user from the newbie help chat?
Reply #57 Top
No edit button but like people say you should speak to the folk at eve, it is kinda strange and its no wander people maybe think theres more to it. You see I run a guild in an MMO, On TS I explained to guildies that I wasnt into people buying in game money for RL cash because it inflates the ecconomy for all, now this person got banned 1 week later and he said it was for botting. Now heres the thing I was on every time this guy was on so I knew he wasnt botting, so I emailed the company in his defense, next once I had done this he admits to me he was buying in game money for RL cash. (Its because of lies like this that people find it hard to take what people say at face value on the web because where eve is concerned and the fact CCP openly say they want a ruthless aspect to it well it seems kinda weird they would take the moral highground with bad language when its perfectly lega in eve to steal everything a player has on their account)
Reply #58 Top
If you got banned from eve for that, more than likely, it wasnt your first offence. They tend to issue warnings before the ban. So whatever you did, it had to have been pretty bad or repetitive. Death threats, posting porn links, isk selling/buying, and racial slurs get ya banned quick. Also, the average age of an eve player is alot higher than any other MMO because you cant simply hop in and smashy smashy stuff, you actually have to work at it.
Reply #59 Top
I call bullshit. CCP doesn't ban people for using colourful language. I suspect that on viewing the chat logs, the GMs decided that the OP was such a worthless piece of crap that they didn't want him in their game world. It's their call.

Reply #60 Top
LOL @ OP...

Trash talk not worth it anymore? Just not feeling it? Even if it's rather cheap and unsportsmanlike? Perhaps you would get more out of the game by playing with the goal of contributing, rather than detracting? The world is full of trash talkers...

SHUT-UP AND PLAY... nuff said.
Reply #61 Top
It's always best to act with dignity, even when you're being griefed.

I've been around for over 3 years in EVE, I've been attacked, I've been ganked many times over the course of the game, but only in low sec and 0.0 space. It's annoying, but it does add some spice to the game (though I myself do not condone suicide ganks) but there are always remedies even for the worst acts, it most is just being aware.

With the bad is also the good, there are many honourable players, corps and alliances in that game.

Pity you didn't see it.
Reply #62 Top
Ok, sorry you got banned and all, but you just really made me want to try Eve based on what you said about it.
Reply #63 Top

I quit EVE myself when I found out how much CCCP employees were interfering with the game.  As the OP says, all kinds of dirty tricks are par for the course, and if idiots get ripped off nobody is going to 'reset' it, which gives the game it's unique flavour.  However, when CCCP is fucking around and slanting the playing field toward their corps, that ruins the good clean scamming.

Reply #64 Top
Sorry but their house, their rules.

Clearly when you signed on for the account it stated in the conditions that abusive language would not be tolerated.

You broke that condition and got unlucky because you where reported, tough break but your own fault.

Also how did you know the girl was fat?
Reply #65 Top

Quoting OckhamsRazor, reply 54
I've played Eve twice.  I was part of the beta before it released (and released early, I might add - they supressed the bug pop up window so no one would immediately know they were there).  Those were some good times. A couple of the first pirates, Stavr0s and Ys set the tone for piracy.  Back then Concord didn't exist, so they were popping players as they entered the game for the first time.
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Yep i remember Arkonor in Semeski or someplace, can't remember the name exactly, it was a .4 system anyways. Within a few days i had a Moa BPO, i remember thinking they needed to slow mining down a little, as we'd have battleships in no time otherwise. I was in TTI (Taggart Transdimentional) whom at the time were the corp everyone loved to shoot, mostly because we signed a NAP with m0o (Stavr0s and co). I think the systems they camped were Pasari and Mara? Can't remember exact spelling, was so long ago! :-D.

It's funny you mention the Apoc, because the entire agreement with m0o and TTI came about because we had just obtained an Apoc BPO and they had just got the Dominix BPO so we agreed to trade ships or something along those lines.

Anyways the NAP didn't last that long, before one battleship was traded. It was a bad move on our part, we probably only gained a minor amount of income from free movement in empire while on the other hand we were labled as pirate lubers (which at the time was kinda like being likend to a nazi in eve, they were hated that much) and it stuck with TTI until it's collapse and became a shadow of its former self.

Reply #66 Top
Only a sycophants would get a kick out of rubbing a EULA in someone's face, boy.
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Personal attacks aside, I must say that it's hardly sycophantic to comment on the fact that you played a game and violated the EULA, and then criticize the game for it. Granted, it may not have been much to cause the ban, and I happen to agree with your post, but this general statement is erroneuous (unless of course you were simply being provocative :P )
Reply #67 Top
I had 2 accounts on Eve, sold em both for $350 bucks each on ebay...that is before ebay yanked my listings for copyright violations, but hey, it worked and then after they pulled my auctions to late and sent me a notice about it the accounts had already been paypal'd and ebay refunded my listing fee's. :)

after reading this...I'm glad I did Eve was boring to me same vanilla missions just different versions.

AoC is gonna be out soon thats my next MMO
Reply #68 Top
Here's my take on this...EVE is not a game that requires you to play nice. However, it does require you to ACT nice. Is that such a problem? You're free to exert your displeasure by wiping their noobish @$$es off the face of existance, but really, personal attacks accomplish little and solve nothing.
Reply #69 Top


I can claim to be facist. That would be very self-destructive under ordinary circumstances.
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thats self destructive under any circumstances and man you guys are lucky at least you guys can play eve online. my dad wont let me.

Reply #70 Top
Well, now I think i am hooked on the idea of EVE. I think i shall give it a whirl...

For the Unity!
Reply #71 Top

SpacePony-

It's not that you're fat or Weight Challenged - you just have a thyroid infection.

And on the little argument we have down here, MADJOSEPH is right about what you say, or type, on the Internet. You should learn to control what you say. that doesn't change my opinion, though. i think those people at Eve overeacted (unless you consistantly insulted persons to a certain degree). And, honestly, I believe you, MADJOSEPH, are overeacting a bit. the thing Slydrivel said:

Boo!That's for CEOs and politicians. Everything else is for gamers.
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Was meant to be a joke, i'm sure, and also the thing StanlyManly said on Eve. People should not take serious offense to small insults like that unless it is a long string of insults aimed at a specific person every time. You should not get steamed at Slydrivel just because he made a stupid comment.
Reply #72 Top
SpacePony-It's not that you're fat or Weight Challenged - you just have a thyroid infection.
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I had a WoW arena team made up with prot warriors aptly named "Fat Chicks on the Dance Floor". The name didn't fit to well so I had to kill the spaces :P "Fatchicksonthedancefloor"

All I have to say to GM's who ban names like mine is:

The whole room feel silent
The girls all pasued wit glee
Turned left, turned right
All they lookin at me
But I was lookin at them
There, there on the dance floor
Now they got me in the middle
Feelin like a man whore
Speacialy the big girl
Big girls need love too
No discrimation dis world
So keep ur hands off my cheeks
Let me study how u ride the beat(Ya big freak)
Skinny slim women get the chemical within them
You can hump them, lift them , bend em, give them something to remember
Heldout timber when u fall through to chopshop
Take a deep breath exhale
Your exhale friend boyfriend was borin as hell
But let me listen to the story u tell and
We can make moves like a person in jail(on the low)


Reply #73 Top
You posted on General Discussion about that before, didn't you? It sucks you got banned on foul language, but thats about the only thing short of threatening to kill the Devs or other players that'll do it. At least Sins will fill all that time you'd otherwise be mining.
Reply #74 Top
my bad about the first post- i did not look at the part where it said "3 pages"- my bad
Reply #75 Top
EVE is a giant sandbox and it is full of cat turds. Once you accept that as a given, learn how to avoid stepping in said turds or leaving turds of your own for others to step in.

if you got the ban stick, which is pretty hard to do and I played 3 years as Futher Bezluden (2 years in Molden Heath) listening to smacktards and being a smacktard  :CONGRAT: with lots of pirates/griefers and we never got banned -gagged sure but not banned...

if you got banned, you really earned it m8.

btw, I left eve, so if any EVE players here convo that character, it ain't me.