Idea for a super huge mod

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Yo Folks, First sorry for my bad english writing, have dislexia!


Why this treat,

Well i think this game rocks with space fights, and the posibilities... limitless if i see the mods of maps already and all. So i was thinking, lets make it a real big game and mod, means a HUGE solar system map and units from new races.

I was thinking, why not make a solarsystem map of EAW whit Empire, Rebels and consortiom as pirats and race of that part of the system.

Adding the solar system of Battle Star Gallactica whit as units and races the humans and Cylones of that system.

Then we add the next solar system, Earth.. lol Stargate with as units the Goaules, Humans, Replicators and all the rest of them.

Then the solar system of Starship Troopers with the bugs.

Then Star Trek with all their ships, Vulcans, Starfleet command, Klingons, Romulans.... and so on.

Then a solar system Of BABYLON5.

Then a solar system, i don't know the english titles of the soap, i used to look at it in german tv on VOX channel, Humans at war agains the Chicks, (not girl chicks lol!) a alien ras that startet war with humans by attaking a colony. The ships and fighters look orsom, especialy the chicks fighters. Maybe someon knows it to, its old soap from the end 90s.

Then a solar system of a good old anime soap STARCOM (hehe the good old days)

And then we add the orginal solar system with the standart races from the game ofcourse.


Its just a idea, like to see that all in this game, fighting echator lol Wonder what the outcome will be. Anyway, its just a idea, if i had the modding scill of the profs. here, i was alreading starting of building, but i am not. So i let it up to u. Let me know what u think of the concept. Grtz


P.s. : If u need some ideas more in detail what i am are thinking of what units to use and all, or some small hand drawings om me (can't work with pc what drawings or modelling, gif me paper and pen, and i draw u almost evrything), be free to mail, pm or leave a reply here.
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Reply #1 from Sins Forums Top
Don't people tire of playing the same old universes over and over again? :P

The one you can't name is called Space above and beyond.
Reply #2 from Sins Forums Top
Has this guy not heard of 7 Deadly Sins? I swear some people make you wonder how the human race has survived this long. We seriously need to stop risking our lives to save these people when they get into dangerous situations. Natural selection is there for a reason.
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Reply #3 from Sins Forums Top
Has this guy not heard of 7 Deadly Sins? I swear some people make you wonder how the human race has survived this long. We seriously need to stop risking our lives to save these people when they get into dangerous situations. Natural selection is there for a reason.
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ouch, that's pretty mean.

@op, try looking into 7DS
Reply #4 from Sins Forums Top
Don't people tire of playing the same old universes over and over again? The one you can't name is called Space above and beyond.
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Tnx, so athor people know the soap to. Like it back in the days. And nope, i don't get tired to play old games over and over again ROFL LMFAO




Has this guy not heard of 7 Deadly Sins? I swear some people make you wonder how the human race has survived this long. We seriously need to stop risking our lives to save these people when they get into dangerous situations. Natural selection is there for a reason.
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Speaking about natural selection gues natur maked big mistake by creating u. If u wanna start a fight, be my guest, but not here!
I made this treat becouse of a idea, and from small ideas, great things can come. But becouse of people like u, some great ideas that can make big changes and differents get killed dead in their tracks. And becouse of that, some things never change at this world or the way people talk to echator or the way mankind evolves! So dear dinosaur, go back to the stoneage where the law of the fittest still is in use. And let people who have ideas speak about it openly. And not run down of the likes of u!




Natural selection is there for a reason.ouch, that's pretty mean.
@op, try looking into 7DS
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I am new here, and still bizy looking at this mods, and with 4kb speed limit it akes long time to down them. And 7 Sins.. its big lol and will take copla hours befor i can instal it and try.
Reply #5 from Sins Forums Top
Personaly I belive in some opposition to every idea. The ideas that don't break down at the first hurdle tend to be far better, often because the determination to overcome critisism result in greater competence.

However there is a big diffrnce between pointing at possible flaws and "omg this sucks1llolo121lol!"
Reply #6 from Sins Forums Top
Personaly I belive in some opposition to every idea. The ideas that don't break down at the first hurdle tend to be far better, often because the determination to overcome critisism result in greater competence.However there is a big diffrnce between pointing at possible flaws and "omg this sucks1llolo121lol!"
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U right, but its to soon to say it sucks or not, its just 1 member who is'n in to it.
And i can take critic and all, but there is a diferents between critsme and run it down.
Reply #7 from Sins Forums Top

The idea is essentially a pipe dream, and that's being nice about it. It's unfeasible in every sense of the word. Discounting all of the logical reasons why that is so, it's also actually impossible. The hard coded limits will stop you short well before you have enough for an alpha test.


Also, in Space Above & Beyond, the alien race was called Chigs, not chicks.


It's not that having ideas is bad, but people posting outlandish ideas over and over again with no talent to even begin the work on their concepts, much less have the urge to learn how, are a boon on every game that has a mod fanbase. Ideas aren't worth much, everyone has ideas.

My advice is to learn to mod yourself, start small, then work up from there. If you have an idea, complete it yourself, or pick an idea that you can meaningfully contribute to, then get a team together, and complete it yourselves.

But not this idea, it is literally impossible with the current limitations, and will still be after the 1.1 patch is released.
Reply #8 from Sins Forums Top
The idea is essentially a pipe dream, and that's being nice about it. It's unfeasible in every sense of the word. Discounting all of the logical reasons why that is so, it's also actually impossible. The hard coded limits will stop you short well before you have enough for an alpha test.Also, in Space Above & Beyond, the alien race was called Chigs, not chicks.It's not that having ideas is bad, but people posting outlandish ideas over and over again with no talent to even begin the work on their concepts, much less have the urge to learn how, are a boon on every game that has a mod fanbase. Ideas aren't worth much, everyone has ideas.My advice is to learn to mod yourself, start small, then work up from there. If you have an idea, complete it yourself, or pick an idea that you can meaningfully contribute to, then get a team together, and complete it yourselves. But not this idea, it is literally impossible with the current limitations, and will still be after the 1.1 patch is released.
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Noting is impossible in the modders comune.
Rules are mate to be bend.
Limits are mate to be broken.

If a simple mod don't does it, then there is still the option of a total conversion of the game, like many modders did before whit athor games.

And its easy to talk about make it urself, if u have no skills at all, or no idea about coding. Ok, i can search for a team who wants to try it. But where to start.
I am personly bizzy with a map in the making that is in the kind of the mod i was thinking of. I know its takes a wile of building, and i am NOT saying i can use a hand here with the map i am building. Have to figure out a lot still. And gonna take a wile. But if this maps runs like i wish and all. Its a start.
Reply #9 from Sins Forums Top
The idea is essentially a pipe dream, and that's being nice about it. It's unfeasible in every sense of the word. Discounting all of the logical reasons why that is so, it's also actually impossible. The hard coded limits will stop you short well before you have enough for an alpha test.Also, in Space Above & Beyond, the alien race was called Chigs, not chicks.It's not that having ideas is bad, but people posting outlandish ideas over and over again with no talent to even begin the work on their concepts, much less have the urge to learn how, are a boon on every game that has a mod fanbase. Ideas aren't worth much, everyone has ideas.My advice is to learn to mod yourself, start small, then work up from there. If you have an idea, complete it yourself, or pick an idea that you can meaningfully contribute to, then get a team together, and complete it yourselves. But not this idea, it is literally impossible with the current limitations, and will still be after the 1.1 patch is released.Noting is impossible in the modders comune. Rules are mate to be bend.Limits are mate to be broken.If a simple mod don't does it, then there is still the option of a total conversion of the game, like many modders did before whit athor games.And its easy to talk about make it urself, if u have no skills at all, or no idea about coding. Ok, i can search for a team who wants to try it. But where to start.I am personly bizzy with a map in the making that is in the kind of the mod i was thinking of. I know its takes a wile of building, and i am NOT saying i can use a hand here with the map i am building. Have to figure out a lot still. And gonna take a wile. But if this maps runs like i wish and all. Its a start.
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Survival of the fittest is still in full effect. So is evolution, it's just moved from physical to mental competition. Go to sleep kid, you can't even spell english. I think you have to be 13 to post on these forums.
Reply #10 from Sins Forums Top
Its a start.Survival of the fittest is still in full effect. So is evolution, it's just moved from physical to mental competition. Go to sleep kid, you can't even spell english. I think you have to be 13 to post on these forums.
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Dislexia, ever heard about it? If not, google it.
Reply #11 from Sins Forums Top
Noting is impossible in the modders comune.
Rules are mate to be bend.
Limits are mate to be broken.
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As nice as this rhetoric sounds, there are limits currently that cannot be changed by mods. Period. It will take a source code fix to change that, and we don't have access to that.
Reply #12 from Sins Forums Top
Its a start.Survival of the fittest is still in full effect. So is evolution, it's just moved from physical to mental competition. Go to sleep kid, you can't even spell english. I think you have to be 13 to post on these forums.Dislexia, ever heard about it? If not, google it.
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Yes, i have. And I'm sorry for insulting ur spelling if that's what it is. IT doesn't change the fact that the content of your post is still very childish. Eventually you'll get used to your condition and spell just as well as the rest of us!
Reply #13 from Sins Forums Top
So u find my idea childish, well say that to the starwars freaks, trekies, stargate and so on who always say: starwars kicks starfleet ass, versa visa and so on. If someon made a mod like this, or tryt to. Then it had a little stop about that fighting in the forums and shit. And their where able to gight their conflicts in the game online with echator. Starwars against startrek, starwars against galactica and so on.

Anyway.... i stoped working on the map, why i keep working on it anyways.. maps enof around here for u.

And for my part can close a mod this treat, or delete it. Becouse i don't feel confortable in a forum like this that a man like me that has some writting issus get runned down of kids that are realy 13y old or bit older. I seen my share of the world and i don't like it. If u think u are so mutch better dudes, well have fun then. I got bigger issus on my mind then keep fighting with kids who think their are the man.

So, see u kiddos around.... or no, better not!
Reply #14 from Sins Forums Top
Personally, I dont like bringing other scifi into games. Sortof defeats the purpose of having a new game. I like each new game with its original universe.

Anyway, the idea is great, but like most games, there are limits imposed by the hardcoding of the program, and these limits define what can and cannot be done.

In Sins, their appears to be a limit of 3 races. You can create as many as you want (like the militia forces), but you can only play as 1 of 3 choices.

The only practical application of this idea would appear to be a series of separate maps, each with its own theme. The amount of work to do it though, would be incredable. And probably end up duplicating whats already being done.

Added note: I also have dislexia, and I became very good at proof reading and correcting my posts before I hit the submit button. Its only when I'm in a hurry, or in a 'dont care' mood, that my posts go out with a lot of errors in them. I miss a few here and there, but not enough to cause people a reading problem.

Dislexia is a big problem, but its not an excuse for mangled writing. If the problem is really bad, then write the response in a word processor that has a spell checker programmed with your most common mistakes (I make the same mistakes all the time) and their corrections, and then cut and paste the finished message into the forum.

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Reply #15 from Sins Forums Top
In Sins, their appears to be a limit of 3 races. You can create as many as you want (like the militia forces), but you can only play as 1 of 3 choices.
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7 Deadly Sins.
Reply #16 from Sins Forums Top
dude you have to try to visualize what your thinking of it's huge and plus if the map is as big as you are making out to be some comps may not be able to run it with out freezing if it is one map and some of you people are being so mean it's an idea if you don't like it suck it up and if you don't have anything nice to post don't post at it all jeez
Reply #17 from Sins Forums Top
Personally, I dont like bringing other scifi into games. Sortof defeats the purpose of having a new game. I like each new game with its original universe.Anyway, the idea is great, but like most games, there are limits imposed by the hardcoding of the program, and these limits define what can and cannot be done.In Sins, their appears to be a limit of 3 races. You can create as many as you want (like the militia forces), but you can only play as 1 of 3 choices.The only practical application of this idea would appear to be a series of separate maps, each with its own theme. The amount of work to do it though, would be incredable. And probably end up duplicating whats already being done.Added note: I also have dislexia, and I became very good at proof reading and correcting my posts before I hit the submit button. Its only when I'm in a hurry, or in a 'dont care' mood, that my posts go out with a lot of errors in them. I miss a few here and there, but not enough to cause people a reading problem. Dislexia is a big problem, but its not an excuse for mangled writing. If the problem is really bad, then write the response in a word processor that has a spell checker programmed with your most common mistakes (I make the same mistakes all the time) and their corrections, and then cut and paste the finished message into the forum.Edited to correct an error.
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First tnx for u replay, atleast someone that is a bit resonable.
Anyways, i did'n mean to use my dislexia like a big excuse, more a way of pionting people that i have a issu. I tryt in the past some of the progs back then with spell checks and all, did'n work out quiet for me, and after a time my msn buddy list got bigger with friends from mexico, canada, us, zweden end so on. Their understand most of the time my bad written english. Same goes for the athor forums i am active in. But the last weeks now, it looks like people don't care anymore about writting issus are athor kind. Their run u down and have big fun in it to. Whats a big shame is. And what i orso noticed is that their get younger and bigger mouths to. I find it a shame, where is the respect for the people go who TRY's??
Looks like its got lost somewhere. Anyway, making a map for a universe is no big deal, its takes a lot of work and all, ok. But if its finisht and upped for the poeple to share it. And get the nice, good respons and all makes it all worth the work. If not, why modders keep working on mods for free?? Their have their ideas, dreams and so on. Their like to show off whit their abilitys of coding, and all. But their don't use it to run people down! Their help newbes and people who asks for it.

Anyway i stoped working on the map. Like i said befor. MAybe some day i start it up again. Its was already getteing huge. 64planets of the Starwars Universe of UEAW mod.
And i was bizzy with stargate planets to bring them at the right spot and place. My next plans where to ask someone to help me out with some issus i have with the prog. But never the less, for the time been, its on ice!

Reply #18 from Sins Forums Top
dude you have to try to visualize what your thinking of it's huge and plus if the map is as big as you are making out to be some comps may not be able to run it with out freezing if it is one map and some of you people are being so mean it's an idea if you don't like it suck it up and if you don't have anything nice to post don't post at it all jeez
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Yup its Huge, and yes its gonna ask a lot, but u forgot the 1.1 patch? Its still beta ok, and i can't ttry it, impuls don't work on my machien, and i am not alone with that prob, that i readed in the forums about impuls, and personal i hate it. Thinking of the people who have no internet and have to run to a cybercafe or friend to download the updates and patches, its a setback for them, big set back. And kick in the nuts.

Anyway, yes its huge, but if mod txt was correct, their fixed the grafic issus so far that evan, a run down pc sut be able to play it on full. Ok if modders make huge ships with lot of extras and all, then maybe u get a prob. But don't worry, its iced until furter notice.
Reply #19 from Sins Forums Top
There already is a Battlestar: Galatica mod is already under development on this forum. BSG mod
Reply #20 from Sins Forums Top
Tje u don't say. I know that already. Just inbetween, MY idea was about to combine all these forces. But who cares anyway now.


And stop talking about limits and all. Somthings say me that after the new Update, thats what i heard gona be some 1gig, many new things are possible. 1gig.. its huge, and maybe.. maybe contains some new races and all.
But then again.. who cares.
Reply #21 from Sins Forums Top
Tje u don't say. I know that already. Just inbetween, MY idea was about to combine all these forces. But who cares anyway now.And stop talking about limits and all. Somthings say me that after the new Update, thats what i heard gona be some 1gig, many new things are possible. 1gig.. its huge, and maybe.. maybe contains some new races and all.But then again.. who cares.
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If you mean 1.1 it dosn't have new races, or new ships or anything new. It has a streamlined interface screen and some diffrent strike craft graphics. All the limits apart from 2 are still in place it seems.

Thats not important, its possible to do what you stated but it would take an inordinate amount of time, and considering each one of those indavidual things is being made and most of them don't want other people to steal thier stuff and combine it into another mod (like 7sins) then it would result in massive duplication of work.

Both classic mistakes in the modding world (size and duplication).

My own idea comes in at over 100 meshes (big and small but not missiles) which means 100+ textures with cl, da and nm versions. Then sound, interface graphics and thats only the assests, not including the easy part which is the abilites and then balancing it all so its actualy fun. That dosn't include working out how to do a bunch of things both design wise and procedural wise im not sure about yet...

I've cut over 50 diffrent meshes from this idea since I started to make it even possibely viable (for speed)...
Reply #22 from Sins Forums Top
Aractain, not to be a complete ******* but 7DS does not "STEAL" or use anything anyone else creates without the approval of modder(s) that made it.

Rogue Race is in because the modder gave Danman the ok.
Empire -approval giving for inclusion
everything else that hasn't been created by either Danman or those working with him -approval has been given.

If a modder(mod team) doesn't want something in 7DS, they just say "sorry m8" and it's not added by the 7DS team.

"The classic mistakes in the modding world (size and duplication)." Happens to work very nicely for 7DS. And you miss that many mods are using elements from other mods -with permission.

tbph, 7DS rocks, the final release is going to be awesome and when ready for SINS 1.1 it'll blow your socks off. I personally won't be upgrading to 1.1 until 7DS works for it -I'm content with 1.05 until then.

and 7DS is 1.16GB atm :) it's sweet.
Reply #23 from Sins Forums Top
Aractain, not to be a complete ******* but 7DS does not "STEAL" or use anything anyone else creates without the approval of modder(s) that made it.Rogue Race is in because the modder gave Danman the ok.Empire -approval giving for inclusioneverything else that hasn't been created by either Danman or those working with him -approval has been given.If a modder(mod team) doesn't want something in 7DS, they just say "sorry m8" and it's not added by the 7DS team. "The classic mistakes in the modding world (size and duplication)." Happens to work very nicely for 7DS. And you miss that many mods are using elements from other mods -with permission.tbph, 7DS rocks, the final release is going to be awesome and when ready for SINS 1.1 it'll blow your socks off. I personally won't be upgrading to 1.1 until 7DS works for it -I'm content with 1.05 until then.and 7DS is 1.16GB atm it's sweet.
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Well said, SemazRalan. I was just about to post when I saw that.  :p 
Reply #24 from Sins Forums Top
I thought it was pretty obvious I wasn't infering 7sins steals stuff, lol.

You seem to have missed the point too. Duplication is when you do the same work as someone else. Size is when you plan to do far more work than you/your team can handle. By takeing other mods (with permission, like 7DS) you avoid both.

My point was that specilist mods tend to not want to 'dillute' thier work by allowing other people to use it.
Reply #25 from Sins Forums Top
Thanks for clarifying Aractain.

Size... ;) slow, steady, always increasing SIZE, that's why the ladies and gamers love 7DS.