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Vasari tweaks

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Vasari tweaks

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First off, I would like to say I love Sins and play Vasari almost exclusively. But there are some things about them that I think need improvement.

Reintegration: 18 hull/s? 18?!? Thats pathetic. 18 hull/s wont even cancel out an Illuminator. Buff it to 20 or 25

Repair Bays: 15 hull/s? A SINGLE Javelis could convievably kill something being healed by a Vas repair platform if given enough time. Bring it to 20-25.

Colonize: The Egg's Colonize ability is uselss. Advent get a humgo resource decrease. TEC's is weak too, but at least they get to save some money. I would think that Vasari would be the ones to get a break on the cost of upgrades with all their fancy nano-tech and advanced construction techniques (*COUGH* Enslaved Labor, Optomized Construction *COUGH*) but for some reason they get a 20% structure build time. Thats not good for ANYTHING. Decreased cost for structures prehaps?

Deliverance Engine: I know its not Vas, why do Advent get instant friendly culture AND +15% damage? They already get +6 mitigation in friendly culture, now they get more damage? They already do the most damage out of the three races. I would think that they get an extra mitigation increase with the Deliverance Engine, while Vasari get the damage increase with the Kostura.

Synergy: There really isnt any. Its not like TEC where you get useless Synergy (The Akkan's incresed accuracy ability, even though accuracy is perfect by default), or OK synergy (Dunov + Kol = Invincible Kol, but its till a Kol so it doesnt do a whole lot), Vasari get Microphasing Aura and Repair Cloud. Volatile Nanites + Phase Missile Swarm either requires you to wait until the enemy is almost dead anyways or have 4 Desolators. Given that Vasari ships should be tough to kill, I would like to see repair cloud last longer, and some abilities changed to benefit the fleet's longevity.

Just some ideas

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Reply #26 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Muhku, reply 23

I find Vasari scouts to be balanced, actually. Vasari ships cost a lot more than their counterparts, and there arent usually enough neutrals to really get a huge income off of anyways. Some maps it can be OP, but others its useless. So it balances out
You can for example easily get a +5-10 metal/crystal income on any random large map (or any large map or even a random medium map) 10 minutes into the game. Most of the time. Balances out?
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In a large map you will end up building a colony frigate anyways because there is a lot to colonoze. Colony frigs need an antimatter regen buff though, because as it stands using them for colonizing and capping extractors isnt feasable

Reply #27 from Sins Forums Top

Thanks for checking :P The change was a tweak/bug fix, prior if you lost a colony the mines around it would produce at 100% allegiance, and the way it was worded in the patch notes made it sound like any mine in a neutral grav well would get an allegiance penalty. Guess not capturable neutrals, though :)

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Reply #28 from Sins Forums Top

In a large map you will end up building a colony frigate anyways because there is a lot to colonoze. Colony frigs need an antimatter regen buff though, because as it stands using them for colonizing and capping extractors isnt feasable
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You are no longer talking about the original problem, which was that Vasari get a way too big economy too early too easily without risking anything on some maps.

I agree with the AM buff though.

Thanks for checking
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np

Reply #29 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Muhku, reply 23

I find Vasari scouts to be balanced, actually. Vasari ships cost a lot more than their counterparts, and there arent usually enough neutrals to really get a huge income off of anyways. Some maps it can be OP, but others its useless. So it balances out
You can for example easily get a +5-10 metal/crystal income on any random large map (or any large map or even a random medium map) 10 minutes into the game. Most of the time. Balances out?
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On a small map you get zilch. I do agree that colony frigates need an antimatter regen buff since Colonize and Capture Neutral Extractor are intensive and the regen is minimal.

Reply #30 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Cataclysm2000, reply 4
On a small map you get zilch.
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So?

As I said, if something is too OP, it needs fixing. Doesn't matter if it's map related or not.

This problem can be fixed "easily" by nerfing the scouts a little and/or lowering the income from neutral extractors + scaling it down when the distance from capital increases.

But that's just what I think. :)