Is EVE online good enough to pay for?

sad thing is, i don't know. that's why i am asking what games other people like and why. i do dislike quite a bit of them out there

OK i should say, i've been playing MMO's since Ultima Online. yeah, long time ago. i like multiplayer a lot.  i just get sick of people exploiting the games and making them not what they were intended to be, for starters. i also want a game i can play by myself and use the multiplayer part to augment the game, not be dependent on it. persistent worlds are sweet. i'll try to think of more aspects i like. lol

is that 60 months?

i'm not opposed to PVP but is it stacked against new players like so many MMOs are?

Hmm, the only really good MMORPG's I know are WoW and Tibia (www.tibia.com)

At first, Tibia might seem boring but once you've reached level 8 and are going to the mainland, things are becoming a lot more fun...or not, depending on how smart you are. Basically, there are very few safe places in the world of tibia and anyone can attack another player. They will become marked for a certain amount of time (based on how many you've killed before), when marked, anyone can attack you without getting marked. Spells need to be typed out (utevo lux! ), when your brightness on your computer is set to normal, you can't go into dark places without torches. The death penalty is HUGE, seriously, 10% of your total experience, your backpack and each piece of equipment has a chance to drop as well, so PKing has its rewards.

The best thing from Tibia is the thrill of playing the game, wherever you are, there's always a chance that a player goes off to kill you. You could train against low level creatures, the ones that most people aren't interested in or go to highly populated areas, where the chance of being pked is small as well. The most dangerous areas are the ones that allow people to grind experience but at the risk of being killed by the creatures that they're grinding, those areas are usually populated by PKers.

Eve is not just good, it's absolutely fabulous. Of course it's not for everyone. PvP encompasses not only straight out warfare but trading, logistics, scouting, (forum) propaganda etc. I agree that warfare (the small scale sorties, not PoS blobbing!) is where this game shines, but there is plenty of other things to do, as well.

Have you played FFXI recently? Since the last expansion, the game has gone through a lot of changes, and it's not quite like it was once before. It's easier to Party and Level now, more rewarding for now players, and lots to do in the solo spectrum. It's very much a radically different game than it was at the start, and even a year ago for that matter.

See, this is the kind of thing that turns people off the EVE community. Liking the game has nothing to do with IQ. If you don't like pvp, there simply isn't a reason to play the game.

You can be a genius, and still fit that category.

EVE does have some stuff for PvE-ers to do, but I won't deny the main focus of the game is PVP. If you're a semi-casual MMO player, it may actually not be that bad for you, PvE wise. You can work on standings with the multitude of NPC corporations by doing missions for them. Missions are semi-random, there are many templates for it to pick from, but eventually you do figure them all out. You get "loyalty points" for doing these, which you can use in the corporation market to buy fancy stuff. It's possible to do many relaxing things in EVE and still make good money and get stuff, if that's what floats your boat in an MMO. You can trade, mine, research, build, run missions without having to touch PvP. Of course, again, the game's central focus is PvP so in "safe" space you make considerably less money doing anything than in hostile space - CCP is big on the whole risk vs reward thing. If you're into PvP, alliance warfare can be pretty awesome when you get 100+ person fleets with lots of capitals duking it out. It used to be a blessing and a curse - fun, but laggy as all hell and in many big engagements nearly unplayable. It would be a coin toss who won - whoever's side managed to load in more people and shoot up the other side while it was stuck I hear it's gotten a lot better since the latest mini-expansion/patch (all of these are free, btw), but I haven't been playing it.

FFXI has PVP, but you don't see me listing the details do you? I said EVE is more PVP, not all PVP. If i were to balance these games on a scale of PVP and PVE... EVE simply has more PVP content while FFXI has more PVE content. That's a fact, no need to give exact details.

Warhammer Online is pretty cool and its rather new in comparison to EVE or WoW. The game is focused around the war between Order (elves, dwarfs, human empire) and destruction (dark elves, greenskins and chaos).

You can level and gain gear by PvP and PvE, both exclusive or in a mix as you like. The gameplay allows to solo very well too. Grouping is pretty easy though (if a group or warband is public you can join them without needing an invite, this is the default). The lore is interesting too and it has some nice unique traits (public quests, the Tome of Knowledge...).

What I like especially is that team play and smart playing are rewarded. With a good duo or trio you can do content that is made for a full group or more. In comparison to Age of Conan where I could not reliable do group content that was gray con to me (i.e. I was level 40, the mobs were below or at level 30) and I had another level 40 with me. I get no xp for gray mobs, but they could still kill me cause like all group encounter mobs were "Elite" or "Boss" mobs. The "Champion" and "Hero" mobs in Warhammer are not as bad by a great margin.

Warhammer has some issues, afterall its really new and it was just patched to version 1.1a, but it certainly IS fun and casual friendly.

now if my Chosen was not the worst tank in the game since patch Id be a happy camper

What? This.... doesn't make any sense at all

my friend and I maxed out our chars in WoW in under the trial period. no challenge. too many tards play that game anyway

Obviously you haven't played the game then and this is just your opinion.  Put some good hours into the game and then say this same comment with any hint of honesty in it.  I don't think that you can.

I got fed up with WoW PvP (which is one aspect that I love about MMO's) because higher level guys could just kill you and then wait for you to get back to your Char and then kill you again.  A never-ending process that was stupid.  In WAR, this can't happen.  They have Tiers for each set of levels.  ie levels 1-11 are tier 1, 12-21 are tier 2, etc.  Now, you can only go into RvR or PvP areas that are within one tier of your current level.  So a level 33 (or tier 3) player cannot go into a tier 1 area and just kill at random.  As soon as that Char goes into the tier 1 area, he is turned into a chicken and gets killed rather easily.  Also, once you die, you re-spawn back at the nearest camp and you don't have to chase down your body to re-spawn.

WAR plays a lot like WoW in some cases, but the graphics are a lot nicer and the play is alot smoother.  Also, when you hit tier 2 and higher and you can start sieging Keeps and Towers...that is where the true genius in RvR comes into play.  the other night, me and 7 others players (I knew none of them) formed a warband and sieged a keep.  Once you kill all of the enemy soldiers, we had to build a battering ram to break down the door in order to get inside and kill the defenders.  While we were breaking down the door, we were taking damage from boiling oil and filre being dropped on us from the walls of the keep.

On the other side, if you are defending the keep from attackers, you get to be the one dropping the burning oil, etc and the attackers.  Overall, it is a great and fun game.  AND THAT IS MY OPINION and I have put in a lot of game play hours into the game.