Quoting Lonestar123, reply 4546140 to like 12
I hope that is an exaggeration because they are not suppose to be that high.
Quoting Lonestar123, reply 4546i congratulated my friend today cause for the first time ever he had to make robotics cruisers!
If I don't, while playing the AI, I lose. Always.
Quoting Lonestar123, reply 4546It still took an entire fleet to take down one of his capital ships though.
The only time I have seen that is with my Flagship mod. I generally lose a capital ship or two to the AI.
Oh and I play as TEC regularly.
TBH the more I read your accounts the more I see that you are being out fought and out classed. Even in MP with DS you have to move faster on your expansions and research then you do in SP with the AI.
TEC carrier. 10845 HP, 19 armor. it still took an entire fleet to focus fire on it for a good 1-2minutes for it to fall.
the Kol has 13500 HP at level 10 along with almost 26 armor, dunov 9800~ and the rest are within 10-11 thousand range
advent battleship, only has about 9000 shields at level 10. and thats as HIGH as it goes for that race, all the rest are under that. with the lowest only being around 7500~ at level 10
Vasari are pretty equal, level 10 capship has about 8600 hull and 5-7200 shield, this is GOOD. and I like the balancing you've done here
first hand accounts :
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and this was the enemy fleet composition
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so. 5 battleships plus ajoining fleet for one TEC battleship? what happens if said TEC player had 8 battleships? counter it with 40 battleships and 700 units? (and at the rate he plays at, he has 5 battleships by the 20minute mark)
no matter what you say, TEC have become obscenely powerful, I wouldn't mind if advent (mostly advent) and vasari were balanced the same way, but the thing is they arn't, advent even with 8000 (I got it up to 12k once, but that was with artifacts and planet bonus) shields still drops like a fly in less then 20-30seconds of focus fire, vasari is jack of all trades with most of their armor and shield upgrades equalling 6, vasari are ok. i can still take down a few vasari ships pretty quickly with little to no issue, they also don't feel too overpowering or walls of destruction (unless phase missiles EVERYWHERE) (apart from their destructor, but that has its role as fleet sweeper )
or are you trying to make advent the behind the scenes race? where they have to rely on culture? then as soon as an enemy fleet appears on your doorstep its WELL I'M DEAD, I had a 150 advent ship fleet composition, unfair computer drops at 140 ship fleet on the same planet, and my fleet lost. HORRIBLY. and I lost several level 8 battleships (I had about 12 at that point, and only 4 made it out) in the process.
play as TEC, he comes across a similiar battle, and all he loses is 2 capital ships.
both were against vasari.
so I propose something , how about giving the advent access to research with helps nullify the chance % that phase missiles go through shields? it shouldn't need to be much. maybe 5% per level with a max of 4, advent SPECIALIZE in shields, why they wouldn't have this kind of research to their knowledge is beyond me. This solves the main problem against vasari, it keeps the advent as the shield kings, and the TEC as the Hull kings, while keeping the vasari in the middle, and vasari shouldn't really be complaining about damage, so far all their capships do about 200-300 a hit, even without the phase missiles.
@Lonestar - Did some research on your complaints. Not sure where you are getting your numbers as TEC Battleship doesn't go over 21 Armor. Ironically with Armor upgrades and Armor Ability the Advent Battleship goes up to 22 Armor. Which is a bit superior. Also checked the Advent and they can get their attack numbers over 200 with research which is the same as TEC. Vasari can go higher yes but considering that Vasari starbases get no AoE abilities (Advent gets the best with TEC getting a nasty one though it cost you an starbase) plus to get it that high requires 7 starbase points (Advent and TEC get only 5) that should be fair.
I'm not trying to be mean but it is clear that you are getting beat by your friend and not by the mod. By all the numbers Advent should beat TEC in a head to head. TEC only can win by superior eco.
Or your friend is tweaking the mod to his advantage.
I've never had my battleships get up to 22 armor (and thats with max armor upgrades plus ability - and we usually get pacts as well), also armor matters little for the advent, the hullpoints are so low that if advent battleships lose their shields, its GTFO OR DIE.
Did you do your tests with level 10 battleships? I'm pretty sure the armor points are alot higher then that, my friend has said several times that the armor on his battleships is more then my starbase, and I'm not sure if he's screwing with me or just being 'trololo' as usual.