carrier/strike craft spam

Hi-  I'm new to the game.... going on three weeks.  A friend and I play together mainly trying to get our skills up before venturing online.  He beats me routinely though.  He plays Vasari mainly, sometimes tech... and he spams carriers/strike craft.  I play advent... its been a learning curve.  I typically build a radiance and some disciples and try to expand then move up the tech tree on lasers and shields, illuminators and drones.   I build a rapture and try to put together something with balance and synergy.  Then he swoops in with a ton of carriers.  His Vasari srike craft bombers wipe out my capital ships like they were made of wet tissue.  Thoughts?

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I would say you need to be more reactive. If you see him massign carriers (Which you sohuld if you are actively scouting) then your second cap should be the Carrier Capital because it has a neat ability to push back his strikecraft and damage them!  Also your first cap shoudl probably be the motehrship!  That gives you good economic boost early on, and the shield restore will help you a bit later.

If he uses lot of bombers, isntead of fighters, you shoudl have plenty of fighters!, and also you should build disciples as theyw ill chase down his carriers and kille m.  Not to mention getting the steal antimatter ability for disciples, which woudl criple him because Vasari bombers take so much antimatter to rebuild.

Also do not send your cap ships into battle, ratehr keep them on the edge of the gravity well. That way they can jump away to save themselves real fast! This is a good tactic once fleets reacha  certain size and it is hard to keep your capital ship alive for too long.

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Your advent carriers full of nothing but fighters will put a hurting on him.  An interesting strategy was proposed the other day to deal with carrier spam.  Build a substantial flak fleet.  Jump the flak fleet into the grav well ahead of your main battle fleet.  Have it sit and it will be attacked by the strike craft and get mauled.  Then phase jump the rest of your fleet in 30 seconds or so later.  The enemy strikecraft should be decimated when you arrive.

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While the AI will fall for that, a player will dock his strike craft rather than let them be ripped apart needlessly by flak. 

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That is very true, but being a newb as described by  I bet he falls for it.  That would break the routine.

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You shouldnt have problems as the Advent you just need to pay attention to his strategies.  For one I play the Advent mainly and strike craft are not a problem unless i ignore them. The Advent have the best strike craft forces in the game so it s easy to counter. Iconus Guardians, defense vessels, and drone hosts will easily defeat strike craft spam. The guardians almost negate strike craft damage combined with carrier capital ships (who have Strike Craft in higher numbers I might add) and drone hosts (higher numbers and an extra squad once again). In fact strike craft spam is an excellennt tactic I use myself because i find that it works much better as Advent and I can defeat other strike craft spam armies also being as advent seem to be able to outperform other SC spam armies. Vastly superior shields, better SC's and better weapons make SC's for Advent far deadlier.

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well what should i do if im a tec player vs an advent player. if the advent fc are so much better then other fc what does the tec have for the advantage against an advent player?

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Fight fire with fire

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While the AI will fall for that, a player will dock his strike craft rather than let them be ripped apart needlessly by flak.
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If the strike craft are docked, then the carriers aren't doing their job. A 14-20 supply ship doing nothing(sounds like a certain siege-y type of ship...) is a big loss for an army. This means they need to either abandon the fight, or try to push past your defensive screen. Both results work in your favor.

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Quoting ArmageddonBringer, reply 6
well what should i do if im a tec player vs an advent player. if the advent fc are so much better then other fc what does the tec have for the advantage against an advent player?
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If you get tons of Kodiaks and rush their carriers and drone hosts you will knock out a big chunk of their SCs. Just watch out for the Advent battle ball. If that happens well i dont know it serves me so well i cant think of a good counter others here more skilled then me could help.

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I suggest you use radiance against a vasari egg (mothership), if your pal goes for the egg, he'll have nano disassembler in no time, means -30 hull /s and -2 armor, becomes worse later on, still -30 but lastes longer and -4 armor with lvl 2, -6 lvl 3 ans longer again, you can simply use radiance that depelts antimater and has armor boost, you can like that make his egg completely useless and even damage his carriers while depelting their antimater, witch is a nice boost since they make strikes from antimater. vas strikes are nice but only 4 per squad, and 2 per carrier for 14 supply (810 160 140), advent has 9 fighters per squad and 3 squad per carrier for 20 supply (1280 230 220) means the advent has the best cost/supply for fighter spam, if you just make 6 carriers you'll have the same amout of squads as if he had 9 lasurak (cas carrier) that means you'll spend less supply and less cash to have an equal fighter fight.

 

One thing not to do is use illums on a carrier spam they'll die early, fast, and never shoot. Useless. Make disciples to take his lasurak down, disciples don't go down easy against fighters too, you can also make guardians and illums on your back while he's busy with you, if he spams skirmishers then send the illums in and kill them, if he goes for kanrak then all you have to do is select all carriers and ask them to take kanraks down ( no more then 9 squads on a kanrak or its a waste of firepower) if he goes for enforcer then its bad for you, you can either go for destra and guardian yourself, or stay on illums and use repultion guardians, this strat needs a LOT of drone host and illums, you absolutly need to win the air superiority to be able to deploy bombers and crush his enforcers down, probably easy to do since enforcers cost much (625 150 110) and he probably won't be able to spam them, they are also long to build so reinforcements won't come fast. You can add something like 25 disciples to cripple lasuraks, if his enforcers chase disciples he'll loose time and you're bombers will be able to have fun on them.

 

 

One thing to do is NOT EVER EVER let a vasari take neutrals, if there is enough neutrals on the map he can outeco you easely. while you're still on drone spam and illum, he can come out with an enforcer overseer and subv spam. That would be game over. always grab the neutrals.

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One thing to do is NOT EVER EVER let a vasari take neutrals, if there is enough neutrals on the map he can outeco you easely. while you're still on drone spam and illum, he can come out with an enforcer overseer and subv spam. That would be game over.
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Something doesnt sound right when you talk about units like this<_<

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Quoting weissengel86, reply 9

Quoting ArmageddonBringer, reply 6well what should i do if im a tec player vs an advent player. if the advent fc are so much better then other fc what does the tec have for the advantage against an advent player? If you get tons of Kodiaks and rush their carriers and drone hosts you will knock out a big chunk of their SCs. Just watch out for the Advent battle ball. If that happens well i dont know it serves me so well i cant think of a good counter others here more skilled then me could help.
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This doesn't work. Any player will the brains would just sit at the very edge of the gravity well and jump away as soon as you get in range. All the while oing massive dmg to you with his bombers.

Strike Craft spam is ruining this game. 

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Shameless plug: If carriers couldn't keep squadrons deployed without antimatter, they wouldn't be jumping around so much.

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Quoting DorianGray7, reply 12

Quoting weissengel86, reply 9
Quoting ArmageddonBringer, reply 6well what should i do if im a tec player vs an advent player. if the advent fc are so much better then other fc what does the tec have for the advantage against an advent player? If you get tons of Kodiaks and rush their carriers and drone hosts you will knock out a big chunk of their SCs. Just watch out for the Advent battle ball. If that happens well i dont know it serves me so well i cant think of a good counter others here more skilled then me could help.
This doesn't work. Any player will the brains would just sit at the very edge of the gravity well and jump away as soon as you get in range. All the while oing massive dmg to you with his bombers.

Strike Craft spam is ruining this game. 
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Well then i guess he needs to play some of his stupid friends then :P

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Quoting Bobucles, reply 13
Shameless plug: If carriers couldn't keep squadrons deployed without antimatter, they wouldn't be jumping around so much.
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Maybe disable passive regeneration while producing/deploying fighters for carriers to put more of a crimp towards constant hit and runs with carriers.

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Quoting weissengel86, reply 5
You shouldnt have problems as the Advent you just need to pay attention to his strategies.  For one I play the Advent mainly and strike craft are not a problem unless i ignore them. The Advent have the best strike craft forces in the game so it s easy to counter. Iconus Guardians, defense vessels, and drone hosts will easily defeat strike craft spam. The guardians almost negate strike craft damage combined with carrier capital ships (who have Strike Craft in higher numbers I might add) and drone hosts (higher numbers and an extra squad once again). In fact strike craft spam is an excellennt tactic I use myself because i find that it works much better as Advent and I can defeat other strike craft spam armies also being as advent seem to be able to outperform other SC spam armies. Vastly superior shields, better SC's and better weapons make SC's for Advent far deadlier.
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?? XD No comment.

 

IMO vasari will rip your puny advent cariers too bits vasari strike craft are best in game.

[_]-Flipkik