complaints about strikecraft

Everything you said here is what I said.  

ABOVE all before I continue, I just want to tell the developers to read all the threads about Carrier/Strike Craft spam in the general forum. There ARE A LOT of threads on it. 

Thay said, I don't advocate nerf Strike Craft to shit, they still need to be around to hard counter LF spam and do moderate dmg overall, just not the insanity that is happening right now every single night.

My other major proposal is generally buffing Capital Ships as well as giving them "some sort" of Flak turrets (doesn't have to be that good) and buffing them in general for all factions so they don't die in 15 seconds to focus fire spam. I think letting the only non-spammable ships in the game be able to at least stand their ground is a good idea.  

Caps should have the privilege to get up to 90% mitigation

I don't think there would be so many complaints about Carriers if Flak were more effective then they are now. Right now you need huge swarms of Flak to put any real dent in strikecraft, and Flak don't do that well against anything else.

While we're at it, why stop at level 10?

I think Strikecraft are at perfect balance right now. What need balanced are the Carriers and the cost to replace lost strikecrafts.

For carriers their HP and Shields can stay the same but they should be slower so ships have easier time to catch them.

Or the game should provide an ability for each faction to slow them down. It should not be higher than tech lvl 2 if it has to be researched.

Additionally the antimatter cost for replacing lost strikecraft should be risen so losses has longer consequences.

Really neat would be if the antimatter cost are affect by culture. So in enemy territory it takes you longer to replace them ,but around your own area of influence you can quickly replace your losses.

strike craft ARE over powered

why?

THERE IS NO COUNTER TO THEM. strike craft cant kill strike craft flak cant kill strike craft nothing kills them they are just there destroying your fleet

I personally agree that the strike craft are to powerful, my only suggestion is that the flak craft/turrets need a slight buff. 

The problem is that changing the balance to much can wreak the game and you end up with redundant units, for example if the vasari had a bomber nerf then their ablity to deal with torp cruisers would suffer.  I also belive that you could risk ruining cap-ship carriers as well.

Its very, very difficult to do balance well - as one other poster had stated in another post, you end up with dead units that require patches to bring back the unit into the game, take a look at the mines in 2.5, there has been loads of posts to have them removed because they are unbalanced, it just takes time to put right.

Ok, ok...

Let's NOT get confused here. We don't want a STRIKE CRAFT NERF, we want a CARRIER nerf. WHY?

1.) The Light Carrier has more hp and shields than a melee HC units (Kiodiaks, etc) and just as fast also much lower on the tech tree. 

2.) Flak can kill SC all day long but its the CARRIER that is replacing any SC it loses in 15 seconds.

3.) The Light Carrier with its unlimited range can jump out the very second it actually gets in any danger, essentially making them un-counterable. With a buff to FLAK (say 10-15% don't over-do it) SC are COUNTERABLE, but the CARRIERs REMAIN UNCOUNTERABLE.

Hate the carrier not the strike craft. The irony is though, the capital ship carrier really really needs a buff since its so craptastic compared to cheaper Light Carrier Spam.  

That is one thing I have never thought to mention but always find myself thinking in-game -- why do cap-ship carriers suck so badly?

So very true - I thought that from day one.

That is why they need a buff

Carriers do not need a nerf.  The flak is now fine, and now the LFs just need a little buff.  That is all.

perhaps if the Capital Carrier was allowed to host more SC they wouldn't need an unfair change in build time. I mean a cap carrier is much larger than SC cruiser.

Cap carrier should have its max squads when its constructed, a total of maybe 7 or 8 squads.

As the ship levels up, it should get the usual abilities and hull/armor/shield/AM improvements, but it should also get a slight strikecraft damage improvement as well.

I don't think that is too much of a buff, considering now a low level cap carrier is a waste of 50 supply. Also, one can't really spam cap carriers unless he would want to go with out the other important attributes and abilities of the more powerful combat caps.

If that happened, you could clear neutrals in seconds.  Every skilled player (and noob) would choose the cap carrier as their first cap.  I know I would.  That thing would be a wrecking maching early game, and early game rushes would be uncounterable.

BTW, I would like to point out that I was the first one to point out that carriers would be used a lot more in v1.1:  https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/317041

I think with beta 3 the carrier frigates are fine now.  If you spam 200 of anything, you're gonna have a crazy powerful force no matter what, even with Cobalt light frigates (Try it with sabotage reactor!).  Think of it logically, if 1000 bombers are swarming around 1 ship, how long til you think it should be destroyed?  But now with the new build rate penalty, the unfair, free and endless swarm was balanced I think, and the Anti Strike Craft cruisers range increase helped quite a bit.

I think a lot of you people are just venting cause someone stormed you with a million carrier cruisers, but like I said, storm them with as much of any other unit and it'll have roughly the same outcome, it's not like Carrier Cruisers are free you know, they still had to secure enough resources and what not to research and spam them, so maybe you should step on the preemptive attacking?

AND if it REALLY pissed you off that much, use Galaxy forge to make a map full of Plasma storms.

Before people talk about nerfing a unit, talk about ungimping some. Like

All Capital ships: Cost far too much to deploy and are not cost effective until level 6.  They need to take less damage from force fire more so than inflict any more damage.

If there's one thing I absolutely love about Sins of a Solar Empire, it's at the end of the day the game comes down to who amasses the most powerful fleet instead of Rock Paper Scissors counters where 1 unit could kill 5000 of another type (Rock Soldier Vs. Tank in EVERY other Rts game) and aside from the capital ship thingy, I think the game is workin fine.

oops double post

not if everyone made them it would just make the lrfs useless

Good point.

But, the only wells ANY cap can't clear quickly are the terran worlds. Also, it wouldn't take long for players to get flak up early game.

I see your point though. What other way is there to make a cap carrier worth a damn then?

I think people don't realize that if you slow down the CVL, it will be caught by CAs, and that defeats the entire purpose. If a CA can get into range of a CVL, said CVL will die.

yes, CVLs might have more health then a CA, but said CA has more armor, and that is Capital level armor.

Their abilities, DPS, planet seiging, and hull/shield points.

As far as DPS and hull/shield are concerned don't you think you would have to do the same to the other caps for each race to keep them realtively balanced amongst themselves?

So many players build caps solely for bombardment so that being said it could cause some cap carrier spam maybe?

what you where proposingwould be ABUSED