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the mechanics are in the game. i have seen it first hand.

Where???

I agree as well. One or two more cap ships would be nice, but their needs to be more variety in the smaller ships.

Actually, some of the Capital Ships are called Battlecruisers (Akkan, Dunov, Revelation, Rapture), maybe call them Destroyers instead? But are their really needed? What would they do what Heavy Cruisers don't?

Heavy Cruisers as they are now are (or seem to me IMO) weak. These are supposed to be the final step to a capital yet a capital can take 3-4 of them on, with no support of it's own, while the heavies have a few supporting ships as well. A heavy shouldn't be able to take out a cap, but it should at least be able to let it know it was in a fight.

Btw, thats with no upgrades to any of the ships and the cap at lvl 1.

Instead of adding more ships (whose roles are the same as what we already have) I would rather see other areas of the game worked on. A "Super" ship is not really needed. We have the starbases and capital ships for a reason. They are your super ships. Let us get a good diplomacy and pirate system in. Let us get a story mode. 

I think the posibility of having one super cap ship is somethign worth investigating. It should however be horifically expensive, and require 7 or so combat research stations.
As for the extra cruisers and stuff, a lot of what your saying is just more powerful versions of ships we have, so not much point. You would also end up with far too many types to be easy to handle.
And we certainly dont need more structure busting ability. Can you remember the condemnation of the assault ships before they were dumbed down!

Erm no. Do you actualy know what ships the term destroyer is applied to?

There basicaly escort vessels, certainly nothing with the firepower of a capital ship nor the size so i dont think so.

I know certain games such as freespace fiddle with the definitions but since sins ships seem to be largely based off real world ship classifications I think the term destroyer isnt good 

Well, i'm not a navy man, so i don't really know. I've just noticed that the class isn't used in Sins.

If you were gonna do the super ship thing, I would def want it to be the end all of end all. Your only allowed 1, you need ALL the military techs, you need ALL the fleet cap techs, it's ungodly slow, meaning you need to construct it right on the front line or its gonna be 10 minutes just getting to the enemy system, takes 8-10 minutes just to build. Cap ships are already extremly powerful now. Some ppl say their underpowered but the only thing I see them underpowered against is SC spam.

Super ships already exist. They're called starbases.

Except this would give a HUGE advantage to Vassari - they could build phase stabs... And since they can afford this ship, they can definately afford to seed their empire with some at strategic locations to enable their fleet to roam....

Just make it so the vasari one isn't able to use the phase stabs, and if thats impossible you just increase build cost and time for the vasari one, or maybe even a actual tech for the vasari to be able to build theirs that has another major cost of resources to balance it out. Phase stabs already give the vasari a huge advantage regardless of this idea. Notice, I'm not actually advocating the idea, as I'd prefer to see more smaller ships first with different abilities, I'm just trying to flesh out the ideas for the "super ship". Even if THIS super ship was added in, it wouldn't be long before someone else came and said "what about the super super super ship that eats planets and poos out starbases?".

I think Super ships would be a great idea, but they should be limited by only having one per 2 team members. Also, Instead of having the ship remain at full strength until it is destroyed, the ship should lose functionality of some of its weapons or engines,  this could be achieved by giving each major part of the ship its own sheild and hull value and giving players the choice on which part to attack.

having read this threads new responces i think that its a brilliant show of why a dreadnought wouldnt work, its too complicated to work into the game

Not that complicated. As someone previously said, their already in the game, starbases. Even if "one per empire" type stipulation can't be added in, it's cost in fleet supply could be adjusted so that for the price of 4-500 FS and the inability to have 4-6 extra caps means you would have to make a choice, go for the mega ship of death, or build more smaller ships. Even better question, could you complete a mega ship of death before your enemy kicks your front door down and comes rushing in (assuming they went with quantity) or before they complete theirs?

LOL, You people are funney! Hey how about we get them to make some SUPER STAR DESTROYERS, IMPERIAL STAR DESTRYOERS, and OH Waint a minute? A DEATH STAR! YES!   I think the Capitol Ships they have are fine, maybe a little tweaking at most.

So if Ironclad adds them in, does that make them comedians?

No it makes them SITH! And then you have a real problim! Meaning can all races have the Big DEATH STAR or only one race in the game. There is kinda a balance in Sins. So whom would you if you could give the big ships to???? You cant give them to all races, that would be dumb. Dreadnaughts are dumb as are ultimate weapons. In most cases Dreadnaughts would be useless, because fighters would tear them to shreds and they are increadably slow. So whats the point???? Only diffrent Tech's make a real diffrence and really there should be more Techs.

well his argument does have a point. Many Super ships in many Sci-fi (DEATH STARS INCLUDED) but you would have these dreadnaughts with at least a few anti fighter frigs supporting it. Dreadnaughts are, as i have said, good for "Entrenched" players but get overrun against dozens of smaller ships.

If i need to Cite an example, look at the Last Stand mod in the modding section. Mansh00ter has the Soverign Siege Ship that can wipe the floor with most caps and planets, but in actuality is really fragile and will always need an escort

Well of course, only a idiot builds a super ship and doesn't provide it a escort. In all the sci f (except the borg Cube from ST) i I know the super ships all had escorts. The first death star may or may not have had ships, but we didnt really see rebel ships either, but they had fighters to counter the rebels fighters. The second death star DID have a supporting fleet including the SSD, as well as star fighters. Wouldn't it feel great to see someone building a mega ship and jump in there with your massive fleet and take out his smaller fleet (since all his supply is tied up in his mega ship) and then destroy his mega ship thats still in construction, cost him MASSIVE amounts of money? Priceless.

you need to get serius no oxygen in space means no fire to begin with pluss the only heat that moves through space is radation so if you got the ship hot it could work but there would be no fire

Maybe a massive plasma throwing weapon?

hydrazine thermite burns in space without oxygen. how do you think they fx the ISS in Welding needs?

but, a flamethrower in space wouldnt be economical. how about a gigantic Chainsaw (since this thread is now about unconventional weapons)

I think the idea of a "super ship" has some merit, but would take a LOT of careful planning so the first person to build this ship doesn't just steamroller everyone else.  You can do that already if you build the max number of capitol ships (16), pay for the first few upgrades, add a few carrier and support cruisers and put them all in one fleet.

As for busting starbases, all you need to do is build a secondary fleet that consists of 6-10 of the new sturcture busting cruiser (the have a larger engagement range than even a fully upgraded starbase) and have your primary fleet (set to hold position) guard the secondary fleet.  Even a fully upgraded starbase won't last more than a couple of minutes at best.

I think a "super ship" should not be heavy on weapons or armor, but have on or two "super special" abilities, like the ability to destroy all tactical structures, or ships, in a system at once.  But before anyone freaks out at this, the ability should take a long time to charge (about 2/3 the time it takes to build a starbase, or so), and the ship must be at the target planet before the ability can charge.  This could be useful in attacking pirates.

That being said, I think one would have to be very creative to actually make a super ship work in-game, because of how big you can make a fleet now. (see first paragraph).  However, new ideas are an awesome thing.  Not eveyone that has ideas can build mods, and people that build mods can't have all the good ideas.  Keep the ideas flowing, xploseve_12b.