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I have an idea for the Vasari starbase , subject to balance.
When it is moving it cannot fire.
When activated , the Vasari starbase requires 5 seconds for engines to power up , then it can move around , then 5 seconds to power down. After powering down engines , it can fire again
i have to agree with astax
well if we did something like that i might find merit in useing another race other than vasari
lol i play the other races some times but I play with vasari better
I think something SHOULD be done to Vasari starbase. Too many times have I seen the tactic of "offensive SB building" where the vasari player will build an SB behind his fleet when attacking an enemy planet and then have it swim through the gravity well destroying all in it's path. I don't agree with this strategy at all. Either make it impossible to build a SB in an enemy controlled gravity well, or don't let the SB move and fire simultaneously.
That is what it is suppose to do. Learn to adapt
How bout lower its slot count to 7. Idea is the engines take up a slot(kinda like it should have anyway). Then the other races who already lose a spot to aux gov just to defend the planet wont be AS far behind in usefulness.
Alright, here is the strategy, unpack a few Trebs at the edge of the gavity well, make sure to bring paladins and/or archers to protect them. When you see the starbase coming your way, move the infantry towards it. But the most important thing is that you take a lot of cheap armored units such as the Elite Skirmisher to soak up the damage. Make tons and tons of Elite Skirmishers they are perfect for diverting the Starbase's fire while your Trebs take it down. Be sure to have all the archer armor upgrades at the Blacksmith and research Siege Engineers at the University for maximum Treb pwnage!!.
Why? The Advent and TEC SBs have mass killing abilities that the Vasari one doesn't. Its ability to move negates that. The Vasari SB is fine as is.
I would call the ability to move into a fleet and target 12 at once mass killing.
you have to realize the Vasari SB is considered the primary anti-Starbase weapon of the Vasari faction. Vas don't have an equivalent of Ogrovs or Starfish, there are no special ships for taking out structures and starbases. Instead the Orkulas 2nd weapon system (the Disintegrators) deals anti-structure type damage. additionally there's a research tech that makes it build faster in grav wells that have enemies present. the thing is really designed explicitly to be used offensively to take out enemy defenses.
its obviously incredibly dangerous once its got a few upgrades going (particularly the frontal shield and its weapon upgrades) but starbases, Orkulas included, aren't really much of a threat when freshly built. mediocre weapons and about as much durability as a level 1 cap ship when freshly built. its probably worth diverting your attention from the Vasari fleet to the Orkulas so you can frag the thing before it gets upgraded to super evil death machine level.
The only thing that makes Orkys offensively capable are Overseers.
5 overseers + migrator + some resources + 6 seconds = 2% constructed Orky with 100% (3k) hit points.
Wipe Overseers first, ignore skirantra if he brings any, bomb the octopus.
LOL. Don't forget the knights!
I think that the Vasari SB is actually UP in its intended role. Sure, the Orkulas is EXTREMELY STRONG, but it is incredibly unreliable for taking out enemy SBs.
Even if you manage to build it AND upgrade it with weapons and health, that does not always swing the battle in your favour as I found out today online . . .
In an online match, an Arganev plus a some miserable fighters killed my Orkulas with 2 weapon and 3 health upgrades!
Repair bays kept the TEC SB alive. They healed the SB faster then I could damage it!!!
In fact, my SB could not kill a single extractor due to the repair bays. Even with weapon upgrades.
Is it just me or is this a perfect example of extreme irony?
Well, you made a mistake of throwing the starbase alone (it looks like it from your description).
I too feel that the disintegrator arrays seem to be more effective against units than structures, rather than the other way around.
As in - they hurt ships badly while not being anywhere near 4 bomber squads when used against structures.
However, it isn't all that bad. Has high hitpoints when upgraded (if you manage to upgrade it - Vas vs Vas is screwed), decent damage (for the price), can defend itself. Needs support, yeah, but it's not something that's gonna disappear in 3 seconds.
Good idea is having 5 overseers around. They REALLY increase the survivability on the SB. Assuming 3 casts of nanite armor per Overseer (they can do more, but let's assume they made a jump or two or something) it is 15 casts for 3750 extra health over 6 seconds. Very useful imo.
Actually I brought 10 Enforcers and several carriers. The TEC SB crapped out so many flak frigates, carriers etc. though that I was overwhelmed. Overseers died to SC.
Exactly. Every TEC player makes lots of repair bays and the disintegrators did PATHETIC damage.
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