I refer to "Destiny" as two seperate things:
The first being events that you cannot, under any circumstances, control and were predetermined about you. (ex: Genetic Code, ambition, wealth, etc.)
The second being a sudden, inexplicable occurance or happening, that nudges you in a certain direction forward.
1. These events that you have no control over them, were caused by something, and not just because it was "Destiny". Everything has a cause and an effect. Action and Reaction.
Genetic Code, usually inherited from the person's parents or older ancestors, can have a large impact on someone's behavior, appearance, and character. It depends mostly on your ancestors where you inherited these Genes from, but some of our Genetic Code is formed "along the way", when you grow up. Meaning that the influences in your childhood, can form and build your character, making you different from your parents and distinguishing you as a person. Again, there are reasons, causes for your Genetic Code.
Ambition is something irrelevant. I can mention fear, kindness, love or whatever else. Why did you mention a feeling on this discussion? 
Are you trying to say that people's feelings are Destiny too? 
Wealth? Do I need to say how a child is born wealthy? Really? You dont know? 
2. I am not sure what you mean in the "second" one, but my first argument applies here too. Everything has a cause and an effect. Just because you cant see the factors that caused something in your life, doesnt mean its Destiny or something.
A (+B+C...) caused D to occur.
It could be 1 or many more factors that caused an occurrence, but something caused it for sure. It wasnt planned to happen by a greater power, or was inescapable.
The most logical explanations are usually the correct ones. And the logical explanation is what I said earlier. Now, if you read my previous posts, I already said that:
"God, Destiny, Demons and Angels, Fate. All these things were created by people in order to explain things they are unaware of. Factors you cant see, and effects that you had no control of the cause, this is enough to make you believe it was supposed to happen for some reason, that it was Destiny, or God."
"When people dont understand/cant explain something, they say "God did it". Or when they have no control over something, they say "It was destiny". These 2 show a lot of ignorance imo, because there are so many things that people are unaware of (me included of course), that you cant possibly understand and know everything. But believing that God actually has a big effect on your life and every day things, or that everything is predetermined, set, fixed or something, be it Destiny or Fate (however you wanna call it), thats just plain stupid."
When you cant explain why something happened, you are going to call "Destiny". Thats fine. Choosing to be ignorant about something is your choice. You can find out why some things happened, OR you can call it "Destiny", and move on with your life.
Let me ask you a question:
Lets say, hypothetically, that it is your Destiny to live a life of loneliness, misery, rejection and generally sadness. Now, if it is like you say, then you cannot change that, no matter what. You WILL live miserably, and die alone after many many years. It is your Destiny.
If you decide at a young age to commit suicide, and succeed in doing that, wont you have changed your supposed Destiny? Were does your philosophy fit into that?
Of course that was just an example, over a common belief in Destiny. Usually people refer to Destiny about their whole life, whether to live happy or miserably, and they think they cant change that. Pfft, how LAME
There are so many things you and all of us dont understand, so many things we are unaware of, if you wanna call Destiny on everything you THINK you have no control of, thats fine.
And of course you dont have control over everything. IF you could control everything in your life, then you would be God, or a superior being of some sort.
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Anyway, I do not think it is fair for a child to have to die because it's parents were idiots and contracted an STI that killed the child, but yet so far whenever I talk about incurable diseases the BOTH of you only bother to mention diseases that the user contracted via bad habits or activities, such as lung or skin cancer for smokers, and STI's for sexually overactive people. As of yet; we havn't talked about a myriad of other diseases, such as Ebola, that strike at random and for no particular reason.
1. Fair? Where does fairness fit into that? Do you think life is fair? Of course not.
2. There are so many people doing so many bad, unfair things in the world, that life is completely full of Unfairness.
3. I think you mean STD here, but STI is correct too.
4. Anyway, yes the child will die because its parents were idiots, how is that its destiny? You already mentioned the reason behind it. Someone did a mistake, and a bad thing happened. The child paid for that.
5. Oh you mean all these diseases that doctors have no clue of! Rrrright.... Because we dont know Sh!t about them, they strike totally randomly, and for no reason at all, inexplicably 
You are funny Xer07. There are so many things we, as a species are unaware of, that makes us look completely dump, stupid.
But thats fine, we do what we can. The more time goes by, the more we learn, we are able to find out more about our Universe, about Science, treat "incurable" diseases, advance technologically, improve our society (I want to believe that we are improving our society and our way of life but.....meh 
), reveal more about our history, discover and invent new things, etc.
Let us take note, for example, of some odd technological advances made over time. The steam engine is a good example, because when it was invented, it wasn't just one man who said "Aha! An engine that uses the power of water expanding into gaseous form!" No, rather it was numerous scientists, worldwide who strived to make this invention, yet nobody can explain why they all did it around the same time, or how such different people of different cultures managed to create the same basic product, especially since communication back then was rather difficult across large spans of the planet. A modern example of this would be jet engines. These men did it because it was their Destiny to create something like that.
Yeah, because scientists actually work together, in groups, and these many groups usually communicate with each other, in order to "borrow" knowledge and advance with their inventions, it is their fate/destiny. Come on Xer07, you are being ridiculous here.
And there are many inventions that were actually made from just 1 person. 1 person discovered electricity, 1 person invented the telephone, 1 person the light bulbs, etc.
The fact that they all do it at the same time, trying to invent/discover the same things, is because 1 rumor can create that:
A rumor spreads that someone in, lets say Germany, has invented a light bulb (in the past of course), that can create light without the use of fire, but using the recently discovered electricity.
Now, since that isnt confirmed, because it all starts as a rumor, nobody made the invention yet, many people, scientists/inventors/mechanics, try to do that, in order to come out first and say they did it. Competing with each other for "glory", or better say, to write their names in history forever.
Scientists of every sort, have always been competing with each other, just like every other human being.
Feel free to call that Destiny too, I dont care.
Getting back to my earlier example: alright, let's say a child is born with a deformation in it's legs that gives it difficulty walking. It struggles with walking until the age of.... 7. Then one day it's hit by a car, and looses control of it's legs again. After extensive surgery, it can walk again. However, it then breaks a leg and so on and so forth for the rest of it's life. One could argue that it has a fate to never walk, and another could argue that it's just coincidence.
Yes, I call it coincidence, or rather "a series of unfortunate events". There could be many different reasons and mishaps why some things happen, being unaware of them doesnt mean that it is "Destiny".
For all I know about your example here, that child had extreme trouble walking from birth. The fact that it got control of its legs and walked, then lost that, then got it again, so on and so forth, doesnt mean squat to me.
Just because it has a dramatic sense of irony, doesnt make it Destiny. Life is full of crap like that. Get used to it.
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Free Will, you say? IMO: Free will is the ability to think an act, with no interference or influence from outside forces, past experiences, and superstition about the consequences of your actions.
Ok, and? Whats your point?
To Start:
I will, however, agree that Destiny and God are both things that mankind has created to comfort itself when it failed to answer the question "why". However, I also think that Destiny can fairly be used to answer questions about the human mind and psychology itself, and explain things about people that are otherwise inexplicable.
Oh you have some common sense and logic, good for you! 
But only SOME common sense, because you FAIL to understand that:
There are NO inexplicable things in the Universe. We, as a species, just cant explain some things. Everything has an explanation, a meaning, a reason, a cause and an effect.
You should be able to understand that for yourself.
Let me ask you a question:
How was the Universe created?
And dont give me that Big Bang sort of crap. Ok, WE assume that thats how everything was created. Assume that the Big Bang theory is correct. But how did the smallest bit, the tiniest molecule was created in order to cause the Big Bang?
How? Did it create itself? Of course not. (Did God create it? Maybe, but what is God? Where is he?)
The Universal, honest answer is, "We dont know."
There isnt a single, decent, satisfactory explanation to this question.
My whole point being, we dont know nearly anything for our Universe. We can even answer that simple question. Yes, we know a lot, but comparing to what there is out there, we dont know anything at all.
Furthermore: using the same logic you two have, one could argue that love itself does not exist, rather it is just an intense feeling of attraction caused by hormones, since we have surpassed the point of instinct to mate. Love for an object, such as a country or game, is just an overly developed pride or attachment.
Aaah Love. It all comes down to that, doesnt it Xer07? 
Lets see:
I believe that Love does exist, of course, but whether it is a feeling or something "spiritual", I cannot say. However, I will say that this is an entirely different subject, and to keep it short, and avoid an incredibly huge post, (It would be a record of my many huge posts. you know, you have read many of them Xer07 
), I will only say this:
Love definitely stimulates your brain, and produces certain reactions, that create a really strong feeling, making you neglect logic, disregard reason and common sense, and make decisions you would otherwise not make, or make a choice entirely different of what you would have made if you werent "In Love".
My point being, that it is at least something physical, something real, a feeling just as every other feeling, if not for something bigger, something spiritual.
/end of huge post.
That would be all. | Huge posts FTW!!!
